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#21 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 10:22:17 AM(UTC)
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Problem is that there's not that much thujone in absinthe. It gets left behind in distillation. Those studies focused on pure thujone, not absinthe. It's like studying the effects of de-caf by injecting someone with pure caffeine.

These things have been discussed to death on the absinthe forums and are pretty much common knowledge there by now. That's why guys like Zman, Darko and me come into other forums like this one; to help straighten out the old myths and bullshit.



'Dirk W. Lachenmeier, J. Emmert, T. Kuballa and G. Sartor,

Chemisches und Veterinäruntersuchungsamt ,CVUA, Karlsruhe, Weißenburger Str. 3, D-76187 Karlsruhe, Germany
Fluka Production GmbH, Industriestr. 25, CH-9471 Buchs, Switzerland

Received 22 March 2005; revised 12 April 2005; accepted 14 April 2005. Available online 17 May 2005.

Abstract

Habitual abuse of the wormwood spirit absinthe was described in the 19th and 20th centuries as a cause for the mental disorder "absinthism" including the symptoms hallucinations, sleeplessness and convulsions. A controversial discussion is going on if thujone, a characteristic component of the essential oil of the wormwood plant Artemisia absinthium L., is responsible for absinthism, or if it was merely caused by chronic alcohol intoxication or by other reasons such as food adulterations.

To ascertain if thujone may have caused absinthism, absinthes were produced according to historic recipes of the 19th century. Commercial wormwood herbs of two different manufacturers, as well as self-cultivated ones, were used in a concentration of 6 kg/100 l spirit. In addition, an authentic vintage Pernod absinthe from Tarragona ,1930,, and two absinthes from traditional small distilleries of the Swiss Val-de-Travers were evaluated. A GC-MS procedure was applied for the analysis of ?- and ?-thujone with cyclodecanone as internal standard. The method was shown to be sensitive with a LOD of 0.08 mg/l. The precision was between 1.6 and 2.3%, linearity was obtained from 0.1 to 40 mg/l ,r = 1.000,.

After the recent annulment of the absinthe prohibition all analysed products showed a thujone concentration below the maximum limit of 35 mg/l, including the absinthes produced according to historic recipes, which did not contain any detectable or only relatively low concentrations of thujone ,mean: 1.3 ± 1.6 mg/l, range: 0-4.3 mg/l,. Interestingly, the vintage absinthe also showed a relatively low thujone concentration of 1.8 mg/l. The Val-de-Travers absinthes contained 9.4 and 1.7 mg/l of thujone.

In conclusion, thujone concentrations as high as 260 mg/l, reported in the 19th century, cannot be confirmed by our study. With regard to their thujone concentrations, the hallucinogenic potential of vintage absinthes can be assessed being rather low because the historic products also comply with today's maximum limits derived to exclude such effects. It may be deduced that thujone plays none, or only a minor role in the clinical picture of absinthism.'
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#22 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 10:23:53 AM(UTC)
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Can I get a 'BOO-yah' ?

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#23 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 10:31:00 AM(UTC)
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I don't think a 'booyah' is appropriate there! =, Just because most absinthe is basically just ethanol doesn't mean that no one ever made some that was more than that.
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#24 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 10:35:00 AM(UTC)
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Also, some people are effected by certain drugs to a greater degree than others. So there could have been people that drank absinthe and felt effects and some people didn't. I have known people who claim marijuana doesn't do anything because they smoked it a few times and it didn't do anything to them.
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#25 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2005 10:42:40 AM(UTC)
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True. Although the 'secondary effect' of absinthe is more like a coffee buzz than anything; there are many who get nothing off of it at all"”besides drunk.

Still, by the time you've had enough thujone to start having hallucinations, you've already fucked your kidneys and liver to the wall, are having epileptiform convulsions, vomiting, frothing at the mouth, etc. Oh yeah: and then you die. Makes peyote look like a walk in the park.

Seriously, the absinthe/drug connection is just wishful thinking, and a dead end.
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#26 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:27:46 AM(UTC)
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I really hate to bring this up again because it's such a sore subject.

Lamp, as a fan of 'real' absinthe, that is to say what absinthe started out as, Hiram, Zman, and Darko are all absolutely correct in saying thujone has nothing [significant] to do with quality absinthe. These guys have dedicated more time to the topic than some of the folks distilling [or not distilling as the case may be] the ville undrinkable shit that has perpetuated all the confusion. Absinthe has an undeniably unique 'drunk' to many people as does tequilla and sake which is a product of it's unique ingrediants. Absinthe is generally of much higher alcohol content, which is a factor. Lamp, you are correct in saying that thujone has a proven effect on brain activity ,specifically inhibiting the production of chemicals that control synaps firing,, but just as many have already said in this forum, if any hallucinations have ever resulted from the consumption of absinthe it was no doubt from the crap the numerous cheap knock offs put in there product to 'simulate' the characteristics of the real stuff in color taste, loush, etc.

With that said, I maintain that absinthe is different things to different people and has evolved ,or de-evolved, into many different types. If you have no interest in drinking a quality spirit,and hopefully non-functioning tastebuds,, you can get some crap with a high thujone level to judge for yourself. I can never drink more than a few sips, because of the horrible taste,s,. I can assure you that if you try some of the homade Green Devil, or purchase one of the many Czech 'absinthes' on line that actually boast of a specific high thujone level, you will be dissapointed. I suggest if you are looking for the green fairy, drop a tab of acid and save your absinthe money for a bottle of Jade's Absinthe Edouard 72 available at http://www.absintheonline.com/acatalog/Jade.html

P.S. Hiram, BOO-Ya!
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