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Offline carlsgems  
#1 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 11:33:31 AM(UTC)
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"Is there a link to initial set up of the pro series columns. I think I have the concept but want to make sure.


I did not get a instruction leaflet or such but I think I get the basics, two part water flow cooling. Correct me if I am wrong. The input water tubing starts at the top and connects the 3 tubes together on the main column by in one, out to the second one, and in and out to the third tube with the bottom of the 3 going in the top of the small drip tube then back in to the bucket or cooler of cold water and just keep the pumps going to cool during the complete distillation cycle. The small column I have now has only one inlet and outlet. Does this sound right for the EE PS II Column?

PS I have two pumps at the moment, could run both for different sections of the column.

Thanks for your help."
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#2 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 12:02:58 PM(UTC)
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Is there a link to initial set up of the pro series columns. I think I have the concept but want to make sure.


I did not get a instruction leaflet or such but I think I get the basics, two part water flow cooling. Correct me if I am wrong. The input water tubing starts at the top and connects the 3 tubes together on the main column by in one, out to the second one, and in and out to the third tube with the bottom of the 3 going in the top of the small drip tube then back in to the bucket or cooler of cold water and just keep the pumps going to cool during the complete distillation cycle. The small column I have now has only one inlet and outlet. Does this sound right for the EE PS II Column?

PS I have two pumps at the moment, could run both for different sections of the column.

Thanks for your help.


It sounds like you are plumbing it for 'reflux' What you described is right. You don't use that if you are running in 'pot still' mode. Just plumb the condensor.

What are you talking about 'the small column having only 1 inlet and 1 outlet? Are you describing the condensor?

Your question about running 2 pumps to different sections of the column: If you are running in reflux you want to be able to adjust the flow of water to the column so you can control the temp in the column. Mostly using one pump and plumbing a 'T' into the line going to the column and that having a valve you can adjust the water with. A smaller volumn of water will be going to the column with most of the flow going to the condensor."
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#3 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 12:58:13 PM(UTC)
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The smaller column I am describing is the condenser. My little column only has the condenser and that is what I tested in sterilizing it with just a boiling water steam to get it ready for distillation. I am still patiently wait for my mash, it will be ready tue to thur, I am waiting on the testing kit from BH, thought I would try to get it going right the best I can to keep from learning bad habits. The one thing I did learn is it is a bit more to it than I thought. I wonder how th old timers did it with out much fancy gear. The one thing you, (div4gold) mentioned is taking my time start out easy and slow and learn to make the easy mash, I did order some of the different essences to give them a shot on basic spirits. Heeler has mentioned going to the recipe section of the forum so I have been scoping them out too. Hopefully next week at this time I will post on the cornmeal quick shine that I am trying.
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#4 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 1:13:35 PM(UTC)
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"One thing to remember, especially when sterting out, is to learn when to call it quits. You can't get every drop out in a condition that's drinkable. If you aren't carbon filtering it make sure you stop collecting before you get into the tails. You can learn that by your nose but to start with you should quit collecting when your alcohol content drops to say 80 proof or so. You can run it down farther into a different container and pour that back into your next run.

One other thing I just thought of, after your wash has stopped fermenting , let it sit a couple of days and you will notice that the yeast settels out and although off colored it will be more clear. That will make for a better end product. It is hard to not be impatient, especially at the first, but you will learn that if you try to rush it."
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#5 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 1:42:17 PM(UTC)
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I will wait. I am at a point that I am going to give it proper time. I have waited for a month to get a reflux set up over the pot set up that I have now. It is a mini still if there is such a thing but after I got into it and my first reflux still never came and was never shipped, probably a good thing, it made me do more research and find the good folks here at BH forum and Brewhaus also. I am now putting together a good outfit and not a cheap rig that will spew who knows what and the adventure has begun, can't wait but will take it slow and ask, learn and test. it's going to be a hoot, plus homemade tasty's, what a blast plus new friends and cohorts in innovating good spirits for fun and pleasure. What to cook up next?
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#6 Posted : Monday, August 15, 2011 4:24:15 PM(UTC)
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I'm in the same boat as Carl, but a little further out to sea.. have made a few pot still runs with the PSII and have a question around temp at the top of the column - ran a batch of cider thru and it came out great but a little hard to keep the temp in the 172 range -- have now run 2 all grain batches and impossible to keep the temp where I want it -- up and down it goes. On a pot still run I've got the water running to the condenser - would it make any sense to run the water through the top of the column to help control the temp or is this hybrid pot/reflux working against me in some way?
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:35:48 AM(UTC)
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I am betting that a better, higher heats source would help in reflux control. When in the reflux mode and keeping cooling water going through the top the condenser comes to a crawl but the purity is way up. I have not tried the 1500 watt eye yet but if it keeps the heat up I might be able to get faster recovery. As of right now I have 2 small pond pumps, one for the top and one for the condenser. It is a juggling act at best, more water or less water going through the top, the condenser is always on full flow. Any one have any advice or is it bottom line heats source problem.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:51:50 AM(UTC)
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I your neck of the woods last week - Downtown Norfolk

Temp maintenance is heat control. On these rigs we control heat via water flow, especially in reflux mode. I only pot still for stripping, but you would need heat source control for making a fine pot run. Electrics - make sure the hotplate has the temp controller bypassed, a cycling hotplate will make it impossible to maintain the correct heat level. Use a router controller from e-bay to do your temp control.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Router-Spee...&hash=item43a2a5c2cd

If you have not insulated the pot & column - then you must. Something as simple as a gust of wind can drop the temp out of range. Reflectix from the box home stores works quite well for this.

In reflux mode I do use 2 pumps and the ball valve is on the output from the reflux tower - very stable, but it worked OK before with just the tee. I have found that stuffing pot scrubbers in t between the reflux tubes helps spread the cooling & the temp control. Still use the copper packing that came with the system too. I have only used a HC so the 2" version will always run slower and maybe take a bit more finesse to operate.

When pot stilling only use condenser water, the reflux tubes stay disconnected.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:52:59 AM(UTC)
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"How did you like the area, Hampton Roads and Norfolk?

Thanks for the link. I am going to give the control a whirl. The constant maintaining of the water flow is rather annoying and would like a something I can get set and let it do its job. Right now with a 1100 watt hot plate on full bore without thermostat connected, it still is a all day job. I have a 1500 watt coming with a cast iron solid element with the brewhaus aluminum plate for even heat I hope it will heat up quicker and get where I can keep it steady.
I have a small basic pot still that I can recover ABV at 100 to 120. I am looking also to learn the good old corn mash whiskey recipes. Right at the moment I guess I am doing more stripping then anything with neutral spirits. I have bought some essences to try until I can get more fermenting under my belt. All I can say is that I am hooked and it is a blast. I love when people scratch their head and say "" how did you make this?"" Science my friend, Science. Which is sort of true and having the folks on the forum here has been a life and time saver."
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:07:38 AM(UTC)
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I've got the 1500 watt hotplate from BH. I've never used the diffuser plate, I always thought that was for propane. Anyway with the thermostat bypassed, in potstill mode, I get the foreshots off in 1 hr and 25 minutes. If I start about 7 am I can run 2 batch's and have everything washed up by 5 pm.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:47:09 AM(UTC)
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Is there any scorching using the stainless steel boiler with out the plate? The plate fits in a recessed area of the boiler and Thought it gave the boiler more even heat. I am probably wrong but might give it a try, 3 hours of heat up is brutal.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:00:08 AM(UTC)
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Is there any scorching using the stainless steel boiler with out the plate? The plate fits in a recessed area of the boiler and Thought it gave the boiler more even heat. I am probably wrong but might give it a try, 3 hours of heat up is brutal.


You must have a different boiler than I, mine is the standard boiler and it has a flat bottom. I always let my wash clear and then syphon it off into the boiler to keep the dead yeast out. I've never had it scorch yet. I'd give the plate a try since you have a recessed area that it fits in."
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:34:27 AM(UTC)
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If you have a recessed area that the plate fits then I don't see a problem with using it. I have the older 6 gal kettle & it's flat on the bottom & I agree with div4gold about the times.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:42:38 PM(UTC)
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I went ahead a bought the premium kettle and the plate is made to even out the heat. It is around 1/4 to 3/8s inch of aluminum and heats up rather quick but the kettle itself is another story. I hope the 1500 watt plate fixes this issue.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:48:23 PM(UTC)
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I went ahead a bought the premium kettle and the plate is made to even out the heat. It is around 1/4 to 3/8s inch of aluminum and heats up rather quick but the kettle itself is another story. I hope the 1500 watt plate fixes this issue.


I don't know how much (gal) you are heating in the premium cooker , if you are heating up a 5 gal wash you should be close to the times I posted. Of course if you are running 10 gal or so it's going to take longer. The 1500 watt plate will make a noticable difference (bypass the thermostat). I got a aluminum diffuser plate with my original purchase but I couldn't see any reason to use it with my flat bottom cooker. If I ever change to propane I'll use it. Right now it's like a heavy frisbee :) Have fun..."
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:35:23 PM(UTC)
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I am going to try it without aluminum plate to get it going a bit quicker. The boiler is a solid lifetime pot, built like the proverbial tank, solid. The new heating plate is not a coil eye but a solid cast iron solid disk. I try not to let solids to get in the boiler the best I can so I do not think I will "burn" the mash and give it a scorched taste. I can not say enough about the support in giving others a hand up in figuring this stuff out. Going from small pot to reflux is a game changer in time you spend in this venture. The small pot set up is almost the same time frame but just 500ml recovery, almost not worth it but now, wide open full blown fun.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:38:02 AM(UTC)
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I run my 1500 wide open. I usually make sugar washes & I transfer right out of the fermenter bucket, trying to leave behind as much of the lees as practical. I have never had a scorching occurrence.
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