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Offline coach22  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:23:07 PM(UTC)
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Just finished my first run not sure how it went quite yet. I ran a simple sugar wash it was about 15lbs sugar and turbo yeast (I know not the best but its what i had) One question is what should it smell like? Mine smelled like a sour wine or a super dry wine for lack of a better description. I collected the first 50ml and then every 250 ml collected 11 jars. Does any of this sound right that it might of worked BigGrin. I stopped collecting at 200. All the samples are covered with a paper towel and airing out over night. Any help on what I should be looking for would be great.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:40:49 AM(UTC)
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"Sounds like you are off to a good start. I have been in this hobby for only a couple years and still learning but here's some basic advice that I learned from experience and this forum;

Looks like you're wanting to make vodka which by definition is a clear, nuetral spirit. Monitor your fermentation which can get a little crazy with Turbo yeast. Anything beyond 18% and you'll begin to pickup off flavors and yeast leftovers. Not a problem if you distill as below and then carbon filter but keeping an eye on your SG to TG math can really help.

Strip and spirit. Strip and spirit. The best advice I learned from here. First, during your stripping run always always dispose of the first 50 to 100ml. These are the lower alcohols and are deadly. Strip is quick and intended to separate as much alcohol as possible from the water. Stop collecting when percentage drops low, output slows, and it begins to smell yucky.

Spirit run is slow and careful. Don't get greedy or you'll end up with stinky booze. Other guys have used this low/stinky stuff in other runs but I stop taking or just dump it. During my spirit run I want the hearts only (the middle of the run). Every still is different and head temps vary so I am hesitating giving you my start/stop temps. You'll just have to learn your still.

Collect the high percentage distillate and proof it. I use a ss pot and add good charcoal filtered water. Chlorine is death to alcohol. I bring my vodkas down to 55 to 60% and then run it all thru a charcoal filter. Then I bottle it up and give it to friends.

Hope this helps. It's good to start learning on sugar wash. Going grain is a whole 'nuther brother. Tons of help there too on this forum. Good luck!!"
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#3 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:25:32 AM(UTC)
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thanks for taking the time to respond great info. My first run was run through a reflux very slow. Unfortunately due to work don't have time to run it again for a while if I charcoal filter it maybe be as far as I get with this batch. I will try and evaluate samples today and filter the best stuff and hope they are drinkable.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:34:36 AM(UTC)
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You're welcome. One thing I forgot to mention..I strip in the pot still mode and then spirit in the reflux for vodkas. For whiskys and rums I strip then spirit all in the pot still mode. I do sneak a little copper mesh into the pot still column during the spirit run. I'm sure I lose a little but I do a lot with the aging process to make the end product yummy. Have fun!
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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:21:07 AM(UTC)
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Hi blue spiritdave been making some corn whiskey and aging. Taste good, just wondering your method of aging and length of time
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#6 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:15:03 AM(UTC)
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Hi Tom. I use glass jugs (carboys) and natural corks stoppers. They're like glass Sparklets bottles. You can get them at beer/wine shops or online. Never use plastic for your high percentage spirits, very bad. Brewhaus sells some outstanding toasted oak chips. Yes you can buy huge oak barrels and do the same thing but they take up a lot of room and I believe that the Angel's Share (the amount you lose through evaporation) is much higher. Plus the surface area of chips is much higher which means that your product will get its color and flavor much quicker. I never cut my whisky. I open the jug every other day or so and give it a good swirly. This introduces oxygen which naturally lowers the alcohol level. My whisky goes into the jug after the spirit run at about 70% or so and I won't bottle it until it gets down below about 55%. Regardless of what some people want, high percentage alcohol is no fun to drink. For me it's about the flavor not how high in percentage it is. When I'm ready to bottle I just run it through a clean cloth filter to make sure it is perfectly clear of any solids. One last thought, the longer you wait the better it will be. I guess that's why they call it aging.BigGrin Nothing better than a splash of homemade grain whisky in a glass with an ice cube on a cold snowy night. Just make sure your ice cubes are made with good water too. Don't want to ruin all that hard work with an ice cube made from crap water.OhMyGod Hope this helps!
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#7 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:03:37 PM(UTC)
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I made my first run with my new Easy Still a while back. I had hosted a bachelor party for a buddy and had about 5 gallons of beer left in the keg, so that became my wash. I put a balled-up piece of copper mesh in the still, and more in the spout that would ordinarily hold the carbon filter packet to cut the foam (and boy, was it foamy). I did a stripping run, which resulted in a very "beery" distillate at about 20%. I then did a spirit run which cleaned it up nicely and ended up at about 50%. I aged it at full strength on oak chips for two weeks, then ran it through filter paper, cut it to 40%, and am again aging it on oak chips. It's not 12-year-old Jameson's, but it's not swill, either. The moral of my story is jump in and give it a try, applying basic distilling techniques, and you'll have fun. I did, and I'm already thinking about a bigger still...
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#8 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:48:22 PM(UTC)
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I just got done testing the alcohol levels in my first run they are in the mid to high 80% was hoping for low 90. What is the process of rerunning just add everything back in with some water and run it again a little slower?
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#9 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 12:15:40 AM(UTC)
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"Dilute to 35-40% and run it to where she will hold a head temp. She will run faster and smoother with a low wines charge
Don't forget to equalize the system for a goodly period of time."
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#10 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 4:11:03 AM(UTC)
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I hear a lot of people say dilute it before re-running, what is the purpose of it? Also one more quick question, when aging with oak chips do you add anything else, or just the oak chips to give flavor?
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#11 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 5:52:28 AM(UTC)
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"Diluting is safer,,,,,,,especially over an open flame.
Also, as I recall diluting and even storing diluted high/low wines can assist in rendering a cleaner product. There may be a citation or two kicking around the community that talks about this better 'n I can."
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#12 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 2:14:34 PM(UTC)
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I take 1/2x 3/4 x 8 inch strips of American white oak . place.in toaster oven at 350F ( cheaper than gas oven) for 4 hours. Brings out sugar and vanilla flavor. Char with a propane torch til it looks like gator skin, rinse an place in glass jar with likker at 70abv I use 1/2 gallon glass milk bottles. I sip in two months but had some age for up to a year might be to long so I keep a little clear just in case
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#13 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 2:22:24 PM(UTC)
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Thanks bluespiritdave every little tid bit of info is great. Yes and my wife will agree its not the strength but the flavor lol
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#14 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 2:33:49 PM(UTC)
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That's awesome Tom. There is a lot of good info in other places on this forum on aging and setting up your own woods including some yummy stuff like cherry, peach, apple and other hardwoods. I still have a long way to go with trying other aging compounds. I am surrounded by conifers and oak trees so there's no shortage of material from which to experiment! I have a long way to go!!!
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