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Offline KGB  
#1 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 6:38:37 AM(UTC)
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"Forgive my ignorance but I need to learn, hence, I will ask the question.

Do we buy ""essence"" in a bottle and then after the ""run"" is finished, we add essence (flavoring) to give our neutral sprit a flavor to our liking or MUST it be added during the distillation process?"
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#2 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 10:01:40 AM(UTC)
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What are you trying to make? I believe telling us that will get you more responces.:)
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#3 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 12:21:31 PM(UTC)
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I'm not trying to "make" anything. I would simply like to know how one goes about using an essence. Is it used during the fermentation process? Is it used during the distillation process? Is it used after the distillation process? Is it used after the spirit has been proofed? How is it used; I have never heard of this until I saw it advertised.
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#4 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 2:13:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: KGB Go to Quoted Post
Forgive my ignorance but I need to learn, hence, I will ask the question.

Do we buy ""essence"" in a bottle and then after the ""run"" is finished, we add essence (flavoring) to give our neutral sprit a flavor to our liking or MUST it be added during the distillation process?


add it to the finished neutral alcohol."
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#5 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 4:30:12 PM(UTC)
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"Thanks Bayou.

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#6 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:04:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bigwheel Go to Quoted Post
Sounds highly plausible. Not much Essence gonna make it through the distilling process. That is how God handles rain water i.e. steam distillation. You will not taste any radiation from Japan if you run it through a distiller. Now this is just a wild guess of course. Flavoring should be an end process would seem like. This be especially true for them with reflux stills.Only thing which come out on the far end is Everclear or so Mr. Bayou says..or at least a reasonable facsimile. I want to make Sour Mash Whiskey. which has been aged for a decade or so. Do you reckon there is any hope for folks like this? Now I can slug on some Vodky is that is all there is:}


Hi BigWheel,

I too would like to make Sour Mash but it appears that I will need to crawl before I can play in tall grass with big dogs. I must first get a handle on the *process* before I ""go out on my own"" and try more elaborate things. Terminology is different, quite lengthy, and often confusing. I have a lot to learn.

I just tried something new last night. Using 6.5 gallons of water, I turned on the heat and brought 5 pounds of flaked corn (pre-gelatinized) to 150F deg and added 1.5 pounds of 6 row Barley pale to the mix. I then turned off the heat and stirred the mix every 15 minutes for two hours and then let it set over night. It's cooled considerably and I think I can add yeast sometime today. This will be my first attempt at making alcohol from only grain. I am fairly certain that conversion is complete because my pot contains a *clear*, straw color liquid. The bottom of the pot, however, is full of solid pieces of corn and Barley. I don't know what to do at this point."
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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:15:02 AM(UTC)
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"This looks like a good place to put my 2 cents worth in the forum.
after my spirit run,I put a ( small amount ) of medium toasted chips in a quart jar and seal tightly,place in a chicken incubator at 100 degrees.
This expands the distillate and forces it into the chips.
Then place in freezer to suck the fluid back out. Of course here in Texas just put out in the sun during the summer.
Repeat this process as many times as you like,it ages the mash the same as being in barrels .Then I add a little smoked scotch essence from Brewhaus.:)
I will leave this Texas heat and come to Alaska next August."
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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:20:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: docmj Go to Quoted Post
This looks like a good place to put my 2 cents worth in the forum.
after my spirit run,I put a ( small amount ) of medium toasted chips in a quart jar and seal tightly,place in a chicken incubator at 100 degrees.
This expands the distillate and forces it into the chips.
Then place in freezer to suck the fluid back out. Of course here in Texas just put out in the sun during the summer.
Repeat this process as many times as you like,it ages the mash the same as being in barrels .Then I add a little smoked scotch essence from Brewhaus.:)
I will leave this Texas heat and come to Alaska next August.


Thia process has been discussed in-dept
The Home Distiller forum. If you are aging it on oak, you are defeating the purpose by adding the essence. Might as well just add the essence and save the soaking. Course that's just my opinion"
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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:28:13 AM(UTC)
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"Bayou ruler,
I agree with you 100 %
Am still experminting with the recipe.
Some times it turns out so good that my head hurts the next day,other times not so good.
KGB
Go to home distiller .org and you can get a lot of info.:)"
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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:40:34 AM(UTC)
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KGB, Rack the clear off the solids into a secondary tank, cover the top and put a air lock on it and let it clear again.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:10:29 AM(UTC)
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KGB, Rack the clear off the solids into a secondary tank, cover the top and put a air lock on it and let it clear again.



Bushy: You have caught me with my pants down.Blushing I do not have an air lock. My large pot, having all the solids on the bottom, has a lid but it's not air tight and there is no way to add an air lock if I had one. What now?

Yesterday evening, after posting to big-wheel, I pitched one pack of EC 1118 yeast into the big pot, stirred vigorously prior to and after adding yeast to oxygenate the mix, placed the lid on the pot and I'm letting it work. I've checked several times and the liquid is quite ACTIVE. My mixture has formed a thick ""Barley cap"" that cannot be easily penetrated with the finger. Don't get me wrong; you can poke your finger through the cap but the finger does not go through the cap as it would if it were nothing but foam.

I plan to let this work for 80 hours then seperate the solids by placing the solids into a fine mesh bag, squeeze the bag dry of liquid, let everything set for another 24 hours in my pot, and then carefully transfer every ounce of clear liquid into my cooker.

I hope I have't messed up anything.OhMyGod

KGB"
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#12 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:28:39 AM(UTC)
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KGB, What's done is done. It will probably be OK. I like to take the solids out before pitchin the yeast as it settles out better. After you strain the bulk from your liquid you need to let it settle to clear before you put it in the cooker. Put it someplace cold to settle, it helps to settle it faster. Then siphon the clear off the solids into your cooker. Otherwise you may end up with problems cooking.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:45:33 PM(UTC)
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"KGB, sounds to me like you need to get another 5 or 6 gal bucket. A plastic food grade one with a lid that seals. Most of them come with a hole for an air lock and rubber cork already drilled in them. If your pot lid is loose your co2 can escape fine while fermintin but that also means that air carrying nasty growin things can getin when fermintins done and cuase bad smells and flavors. If you leave your liquid on your solids for settling the yeast will sometimes give off some bad flavors also. Get another bucket w/ lock and transfer it after there after it stops working or at least slows down.
You can cook yer uncleared liquid if you want to. It might scorch in your pot and that don taste to good, cooking yeast don't help either. Especially when useing a gas burner. Done that."
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#14 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 2:59:17 PM(UTC)
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I'm a little late on the thread, but I was wondering on the essences do they you/advise you on a % Abv of your neutral liquor that goes best with the essence? Or is it fully up to me? I just want to make sure my essences taste as good as possible...
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:51:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Eubanks6 Go to Quoted Post
I'm a little late on the thread, but I was wondering on the essences do they you/advise you on a % Abv of your neutral liquor that goes best with the essence? Or is it fully up to me? I just want to make sure my essences taste as good as possible...


I haven't the least idea. I'm about to give it a try for the first time. I have ""proofed"" my spirits to 90 proof and will introduce essences to a liter this weekend.

My initial thoughts are, a range of 80 to 100 proof will likely be the best but I have no experience to back this up ...... only a SWAG.:)

KGB"
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:42:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Eubanks6 Go to Quoted Post
I'm a little late on the thread, but I was wondering on the essences do they you/advise you on a % Abv of your neutral liquor that goes best with the essence? Or is it fully up to me? I just want to make sure my essences taste as good as possible...

How it tastes to you and the other people who are drinking it is what matters in the end. Add essences and proof your spirits to your tastes.Just remember that you can always add, but you can't subtract.BigGrin"
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:21:34 AM(UTC)
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"Eubank6
Like some one just said every one to their own taste.
I am always expermenting but the last time I cut my spirits to 40=50 proof,
added a spoonful of chips,sealed in quart jars and this time of year put it in a chicken incubator ( temp of 100 degrees F) for 24 hours ,that expands to solution then put in freezer for 24 hours that contracts solution and pulls flavor from the chips.
Here again it is for a taste that you enjoy."
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#18 Posted : Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:34:36 PM(UTC)
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I proof mine to about 45% before adding the essence, make sure you have filtered your alcohol 1st. If there are any off flavors in there it will throw off the taste of your essence. Alot of folks will tell you that if you do everything right you don't need to filter, that's CRAP! If your going to use an essence don't you want it to taste right?
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#19 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:13:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Sparky Go to Quoted Post
I proof mine to about 45% before adding the essence, make sure you have filtered your alcohol 1st. If there are any off flavors in there it will throw off the taste of your essence. Alot of folks will tell you that if you do everything right you don't need to filter, that's CRAP! If your going to use an essence don't you want it to taste right?




Well Sparky I disagree.

If you can't produce a clean neutral with a reflux distiller, then one or a combination of three things is the cause. Either the design of the distiller is inefficient, You are not running the distiller properly or, You are not making proper cuts. ( Fores, Heads, Hearts, Tails)

Of course it helps if you start with a good wash or mash. Good meaning a reasonable beginning Specific Gravity, proper nutrients and fermented with good temperature control.

Now I'm not trying to take shots at you, I just disagree with you on this point. Though I produce Ethanol for fuel, I know that I can produce a clean neutral that don't need carbon filtering.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:43:02 AM(UTC)
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I agree BR...I've made lots of hooch that I did'nt carbon filter --- but not with Turbo Yeast!!! I think good cuts and a proper wash or mash is really important when judgeing the final product. I'm not doggin anybody either but I KNOW I can make a product that will be pretty good without carbon, but if you feel you need it thats ok too.
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