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Offline firewaterburn  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:53:58 AM(UTC)
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"I am trying to plow through all of teh information and not sure if I can find something actually referring to what I need. I am sure it has to be asked before, though. First, hello and thanks to all of you out there. Lots of good information posted an a little overwhelmed. I know a lot of it will be trial and error on my part.
Just got my ESII HC in last week and was doing a first run (reflux) on it. Setup the pump and everything according to instructions...run propane burner...keeping it on the lower side...I figured the slower the better.
QUESTION: How do I maintain the temp at the top of the column? It seems that I was constantly turning the water flow on and off and never relly saw the temperature hold. I thought I would see the temp plateau at x degrees while the alcohol was burning off and then the temp would increase. From what I read, do not adjust fire, adjust the water flow...but it was a constant battle turning it up and then down trying to keep it around 173-180ish.
After I figure this out, then I can try to get my cuts down...then try different yeasts...didn't know if it was the turbo yeast that gave me a funky smell throughout the batch. 5.5 gallons 10 lbs of brown sugar 12 oz of molasses...turbo yeast...2 days...gave me about a 22% beer. I can work through all of this later...just a little lost."
Offline Ghankra  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:42:49 PM(UTC)
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"I use two pumps on my setup, two seperate setups, one for condenser, one for tower, try turnin your propane down till its almost off (be careful tho because wind easy blows it out..sheltering it from the wind helps), and adjust the water to top of tower until the temp is where you want...somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 in the line works great for me and this setup.

Hope this helps."
Offline docmj  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:06:39 AM(UTC)
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"Firewater
I am probably doing everything wrong, but will tell you how I am doing the temp control.
I am using a propane turkey fryer.
After the temp on reflux hits 172 I cut my fire down,guess I have been lucky but have no trouble controlling the temp,any where between 172 and 176 and I bee's happy."
Offline firewaterburn  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:33:24 AM(UTC)
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Thanks to all of you for the information. I will try to cut down the suppy to the condenser. It was my first time...and I figured I was doing something wrong. I guess, it takes time...and some help from you guys. : ) Reading about it is def not a substitute for Running it. - Thanks I look forward to someday being able to give advice. Take care.
Offline John Barleycorn  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:59:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: firewaterburn Go to Quoted Post
QUESTION: How do I maintain the temp at the top of the column? It seems that I was constantly turning the water flow on and off and never relly saw the temperature hold.

You really can't control the vapor temperature. The temp at the top of the column will be whatever the temp of the vapor is, period. When you turn on the cooling water, it'll knock those vapors back down into the column & your temp will drop to whatever the temp of the air is above the column condenser tubes is. This is IMO, one of the issues you have to deal with using this design, given the location of the thermometer.

Think of the column condenser in this design as a sort-of valve -- it either lets vapors through (no cooling = valve open), or it knocks the vapors down (cooling water flow = valve closed). If you can control the temp and volume of the cooling water precisely enough, you'd be able to control the _volume_ of vapors passing through (and hence the volume of what gets knocked back down) ... which will affect the ratio ... not the temperature of the actual vapor itself.

Based on what I've seen so far, I noticed that if I'm driving the column too hard (too much heat) the vapor temp is higher -- much like what happens during my stripping runs -- lot's of smearing, so the temps are higher. If you keep experimenting with your heat you'll find that sweet spot. Based on what (I think) you're describing, I would try bringing things up until you get some output, then backing off heat (with no column cooling water flowing) until the output stops. Then bring up the heat _slowly_ until you get some output again. Then start some cooling water (just a small amount) until output stops again, Then again with heat, etc.

Basically, you only need enough heat for your column to do what it's designed to do -- separate the fractions -- while giving you some control over the output _volume_. There _is_ such a thing as too much heat. ;-)

Anyway, that's my two cents from my observations.

--JB"
Offline firewaterburn  
#6 Posted : Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:59:59 AM(UTC)
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I will take the advice you guys have given and put it to the test. Too damn bad, I just couldn't jump right in and be the best. Keep on cookin'.

-FWB
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