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Offline niki1  
#1 Posted : Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:48:13 PM(UTC)
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"First off, thanks for all the info. I did a lot of reading prior to my first run. I have a brewhaus pro series essential extractor, the brewhaus fermenting kit and a large propane burner. Now for some details.

First mash- 17# sugar, turbo yeast and distilled water. I had used the cleaner and rinse from brewhaus prior to this. Let it go and watched the bubbling and temp til done. Let it settle a couple of days and then used the sparkeloid to settle. Waited a day and siphoned into pot.

Set up the still per instructions, only using the one column to do a stripping run. Came to temp in about an hour, discarded the first 50ml and then continued collecting until 96 C. Had to turn the burner down as it was running to quickly. Got it down to several drops a second. Got about 5 liters out of this, and took about 7 hours.

By the way, the mash had registered about 18% with the alcoholmeter.
When the distilate was cool, I checked the abv and got about 77%. This seemed low. I took a small sample, diluted to about 40% and did a blind taste test with Pearl vodka, Grey Goose and mine. Had mixed reactions although everyone liked it. One person picked it as the grey goose. I had always intended to do a reflux run, but want to learn along the way.

My observations are that I think I was not getting enough cold water. I used all the hose as instructed, but I think that is too much hose, and not enough lift. Maybe too small a pump. The run did not want to get over 97 C. (I collected a bottle of feints from 96-97)

I plan on doing a reflux run, then taste test, then possibly a carbon filtering.

Any advise is appreciated.
I read that you close off the out take to let the reflux stabilize. I don't have a valve on the essential. Where does this go? I plan to dilute this first run with water prior to the reflux. 40%-50%, discard the first 50ml.

Do you all leave the cooling water off at first and then add it at a certain point? If so what? And I assume you have a valve in line to control this? I think that it is a mix of burner temp and cooling water to regulate the output?

Sorry this is long, but I want to be sure before I run the reflux.

Also, I assume the copper is packed into both columns.

I did not insulate on the first run. Should I have, and should I on the refllux?

Even if my taste is good, I would like to get a higher percentage.

Thanks

Niki"
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#2 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2012 5:09:10 AM(UTC)
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"Hi Niki1, 77% on a pot run is real good, Iusually get around 55-60%. On a pot run you only need cooling h2o to the condenser not the tower. When doing reflux 3 rolls of copper should be enough in the tower and make sure to pack some around the cooling tubes inside. You will run the tower water from the start to keep the vapors refluxing in the tower for 1/2 to 1 hr. You can then cut back on the cooling h2o to the tower and start the condenser h2o, if you have'nt already. At this point your temp and outflow is mainly controlled by tower cooling h2o flow, as you will probably already turned the heat down.
I'm not sure what you mean by closing off the out take. If you are talking about the output hose from the condenser then DO NOT CLOSE IT OFF. Out put is controlled at the top of the reflux tower by the cooling h2o, the more
h2o flowing through the tower the cooler the the temp at the top. This is what causes the reflux action. The only pressure outlet is through the condenser output hose, if you close that off the smallest reaction that could occure is you blow the cork out of the top,not good. From there the options get worse.
As far as insulation goes, it depends on you ambient outside temp. The only thing I insulate is the tower, I don't live in an area that has snow.
Hope this helps.
Have fun and good luck."
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#3 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2012 8:03:54 AM(UTC)
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The nice head honcho fellow who peddles the BH equipment told me..Do Not..insulate anything except the boiler. If the column is insulated it interferes with the reflux action of the unit. As the vapor climbs the column and cools some of it drops back into the boiler aka refluxing. If it cant shed the heat it do not reflux as efficiently as it could if it wasnt insulated. Makes sense to me. He has posted the same info right on here. Know this goes against some of the conventional wisdom on the topic..but I cant help it...lol.
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#4 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2012 11:37:31 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks. Being a newbie there is a lot to absorb. I have reread more and realize that 77 is good. I was thinking about what it should be after the reflux, and was afraid I was not high enough. I think I am over analyzing and worrying. I will try and insulate only the pot. The way brewhaus has the cooling set up, it seems like it goes into the condenser, then through the tower, back and return, so not sure how to cool one or the other. Also, what's everyones take on the need for bicarb or something similar? I have read everywhere from 3 TBS per litre of baking soda, to 1 Tsp per lter of carbonate. Obviously I want the best product, but don't want to add too much to the mix. I think I will play with shortening the cooling tubes to get more flow.

Niki"
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#5 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2012 12:38:08 PM(UTC)
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Hey Bigwheel you are right I ment to put pot not tower for insulation, guess I should'nt be trying to do 4 things at once. Niki1, I'm not sure about the Bicarb as I don't use it, but I know there's a thread on here somewhere. If you do a search I'm sure you'll find it.
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#6 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2012 12:46:08 PM(UTC)
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Five buck 1/2" friction fit ball valve be just what the Doctor would order for you. Attach it to the condenser input hose. The way they come from the box gives way too much water to the condenser so it often do not give you enough to give a good supply to the column. Got mine at Lowes. Big thanks to Bayou for suggesting that tip. I would not go around cutting off any hoses cept where the ball valve goes. Also invest in big wad of small diameter automotive hose clamps. Them clamps that come with are some leaky biotches..lol. Not sure on the bicarb..know old folks take it for indigestion or something like that.
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#7 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2012 12:52:18 PM(UTC)
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"Hey thanks Bushy..know that multi tasking can be rough. Aint never tried it personally but it apparently something only wimmen are good at.:)

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Hey Bigwheel you are right I ment to put pot not tower for insulation, guess I should'nt be trying to do 4 things at once. Niki1, I'm not sure about the Bicarb as I don't use it, but I know there's a thread on here somewhere. If you do a search I'm sure you'll find it.
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2012 1:36:35 PM(UTC)
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I think I am over analyzing and worrying.

Niki, just have fun. I think the ""analyzing"" part is what makes this hobby so damned interesting. But it's definitely not worth any worries. ;-) Look at it this way: if you don't like what you produced, just dilute it, put it back in the boiler and run it again.

Originally Posted by: niki1 Go to Quoted Post
Also, what's everyones take on the need for bicarb or something similar?

It helps improve the nose in neutrals. I wouldn't use any if you're doing pots runs -- I think it would defeat the purpose. Also, I'm not sure if this is my inexperience, but I've noticed that it makes it more difficult for me to find the tails cut. Just make sure you DO NOT add it to your wash -- only to your strips.


Bigwheel -- funny thing you mention how insulation can screw the pooch while refluxing. I've been insulating ... and I can run a lot less power for a majority of the run. But I have noticed that my abv has dropped. I just assumed I was getting a bit sloppy. Maybe not??

Hey Scotty, if you're following this thread ... I believe I read (or saw some of your pics) in some old posts that you insulated the buggers out of your column so you could distill antifreeze just by leaving your rig sit out in the sun ;-) ... what say you on this one?

--JB"
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2012 3:47:27 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks. I will insulate the pot, and play around with the pump to try to get more volume, and add a valve to then control it. yeah, i am having fun and do enjoy the analyzing as it is a great learning experience. I will update after the spirit run!!

niki"
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:05:44 AM(UTC)
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You can also add another pump for about twenty bucks or so. Think some have a pump for the condenser and another for the column.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:08:19 AM(UTC)
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"I bought another pump so I could run the water to the tower and condenser as stand alone systems. I like it much more than useing one pump for both.
Having the ball valves Bigwheel mentioned is a must no matter which way you go. It makes controlling the h2o flow much easier."
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