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Offline dasorge  
#1 Posted : Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:26:07 AM(UTC)
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I'm looking for someone in the eastern Nebraska, western Iowa area whom I can connect with to discuss ideas, recipies and such. Anyone around this area?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:48:10 AM(UTC)
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Welcome. Lot of smart and friendly folks hang on here who would be glad to participate in the activities mentioned. Let us get the show on the road:) What kind of equipment do you have or maybe still looking? What do you like to drink? What would you like to make?
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#3 Posted : Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:37:44 AM(UTC)
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After doing some research, I've decided to make a valved reflux which I am in the process of completing attached to a beer keg. I'm looking a making some whiskey and rum with it. Brewhaus looks to be the best place to get the ingrediants. I've checked with a homebrew place in Omaha and the guy pretty much kicked me out of the store when I asked about distilling (didn't tell him what I wanted to do). Is there anywhere local to get grains and yeasts?
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#4 Posted : Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:21:06 AM(UTC)
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Feed store should be the best bet for grains corn, cracked corn (hen scratch) sweet feed etc. Here is a listing of some of some feed stores in your general area.

http://www.polocenter.com/health/feedusne.htm

If you want to do mail order this looks like a pretty feasible site:

http://store.landjfeed.com/store/

You can always use bread yeast from the grocery store or health food shoppe if push comes to shove. Some of the big boys actually seem to prefer bread yeast. More open minded home brew place would also be a good resource for more exotic yeasts. Distillers yeast etc. Here is a site that claims to provide a listing of home brew stores:

http://homebrewsupply.brewersroundtable.com/

You building the still shown at moonshine-still.com by any chance? Seems like the purist whiskey/rum makers like to pot still stuff instead of refluxing. Refluxing removes most of the impurities which adds to the flavor profile. Hope this helps.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, June 17, 2012 1:28:50 AM(UTC)
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"We have a feed store nearby so I'll check to see what they have for grains. I'll check those web sites as well.

The still I'm building is from moonshine-still.com. Looks like one of the advantages of using that type of still is one can remove the packing and run it as a pot still. Kinda like having two stills in one. Am hoping to run a test with water this next week."
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#6 Posted : Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:41:06 AM(UTC)
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Good show on that one. Got a pal and some of his pals who built one by the same plans. Said it worked well. In fact my plumber is supposed to be building me one just like it out of his scrap copper pile. I messed up and told him "no rush" so aint heard a peep out of him since I delivered the keg and connectors back last winter. Got to thinking on it do believe your right on the thing working as a pot still. Just take out most of the packing and leave the valves open. Should work. You using raschling rings or scrubbers for the packing?
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#7 Posted : Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:48:46 AM(UTC)
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According to the plans, if you take out all of the packing the still can be used as a pot still. I just ordered the raschling rings. I figure the rings would be easier to take out to clean or when using as a pot still then the scrubbers. I had some hvac and plumber friends help dontate to my cause. Was able to get a beer keg through a friend who works at a bar. Found out the hard way that to relieve the pressure from the keg, it's best to lie it on it's side then push in the ball valve. The first time I did it the keg was upright and I got doused with beer. Wife made me shower as I smelled like I had been drinking all night (I only wished)!
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#8 Posted : Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:29:40 AM(UTC)
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Think the plumber stumbled over that nugget of truth also. Whew that beer was stinky and think he is a Church of Christ tee totaler. Now are you cutting into the keg? I went and tracked down the stuff to hook it up direct to the little hole in top. If you aint cut into it yet..give it some thought. Now do make sense that you dont need any copper in a copper still most likely. My mind had jumped to SS for some reason. If you do the direct connect...the coupler gizmo comes with a screen to keep the rings and scrubbers from falling into the bucket.
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#9 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 5:31:43 AM(UTC)
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I was planning on cutting a hole in the top of the keg to attach a ss bowl which the column mounts to. the directions suggested doing it that way as it is easier to clean after each use, which I like. I found a 2 1/4 exhaust flange which the coupler fits nice and tight into. I can use a smaller bead of soilder for the coupling to the flange but won't have to rely on the soilder to hold everything.
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#10 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 5:52:49 AM(UTC)
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Ok there are pros and cons for either approach. Glad to hear you have considered the options.
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#11 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 7:35:08 AM(UTC)
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"dasorge, dude I have made both and the keg unit with the sanitary coupling that connects the tower directly to the keg neck really is better...
with that bowl on top the tower is kinda unstable..it does work of course.
with the direct connect it really seals good and is quite stable..
with the cleaning issue I have never had a problem - I just put the hose gun on stream and squirt it in there and clean it that way -- seems to work just fine. If ya get nervous and thiink its not clean enough just put 3 or 4 gallons of water in it and boil it.
That exhaust flange you speak of is steal and will rust - how do you know you ask??? cause thats what I used and thats what happened to me.
If its not too late try the neck of the keg first and if thats not what you want THEN go the bowl on top route. If you cut it then its too late but if you try the other first and dont like it well you can always cut it later."
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:46:17 AM(UTC)
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What does the sanitary coupling look like, how does it attach to the keg and where can I get one. I haven't cut the keg yet, so I can check into that set up.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:13:10 AM(UTC)
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Clean this up an put in Google http://www.shop.rainierdistille...Pipe-Keg-Kit-MH16608.htm You can buy most of the parts to do this at BH but you would have to hunt down your own 2" female copper fitting with NPT threads. Hard to find around here unless you know where to looky. If you can find the copper just buy the other stuff off BH. Should save a few bucks. Prob a few other places which sells the complete kit. I had thought of another place to suggest first but going over there they seem to be out of stock. Guess there is too many yups taking up this hobby.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:57:20 PM(UTC)
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dasorge, BH does have the sanitary fitting but you may have find the ferrel on the hillbilly stills site. And you dont need a threaded coupling just a 2 inch slip coupling for your tower to sit in. You order the ferrel and the slip coupling then soldier them together and thats where the sanitary clamp comes into play. Thats what holds the tower to your still. If you study the towers on this site or go to the Hillbilly stills site you'll ses what I'm saying, you dont need a threaded coupling if you go directly to the keg. Sooo much easier to install and much steadier than the bowl on top method.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:02:24 PM(UTC)
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someting I forgot, you dont HAVE to have a slip coupling --- you can just weld or soldier the ferrel right to the tower and clamp it that way too. Its really simple when you finally see one. This is what I use now and its the cats azz as far as I'm concerned. This and the internal heating element with the RSC sooooo simple and reliable too. Good luck and keep us informed.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:36:57 PM(UTC)
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After stumbling from the home page of this site.. they do indeed have all you need to make a tower and-or buy the keg connections and on this site the sanitary clamp is called a tri-clamp, thats how you hold your tower to the neck of your keg. The next ? do you know how to remove the inerds from the keg neck? You can go to youtube and see demos of the removal and thats really easy too once you see it. So the question is --buy a tower or build a tower???? In my expirence 2" copper is pricey and in comparision buying a tower with the condenser already on it just simpler and quicker. BH has just what you need to get going.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:13:27 AM(UTC)
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I would stick with the 2" threaded copper..the sanitary fitting..Tri Clamp and rubber O ring. For getting the built in metal ring (which holds the stalk in there) out of the hole on top of the Keg..my welder says he can knock it out in about 30 seconds with a Carbide Rotary File. Guess we will see on that. Now I did have one nice fella recommend I go to E bay and buy a two inch metal punch for a hundred bucks or so. I did not like the sound of that.

http://askville.amazon.com/sold...er.do?requestId=58748686

Stainless steel can have a wide range of constituent metals, with widely varying amounts of chrome and iron and nickel. Chrome and nickel are difficult to solder as they love to generate a layer of passivating oxide. You also have issues where the heat changes the grain structure of the steel, perhaps making it brittle. Then there's the problem of corrosion as you have dissimilar metals in contact, making a self-destroying short-circuited battery. I'd use some sort of compression fitting to connect the two. It won't last forever but neither will a badly soldered and corroding joint.
( Even with a compression fitting in between you can get electrolytic corrosion if the water in the pipe is acidic or basic ).
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#18 Posted : Friday, June 22, 2012 5:47:54 AM(UTC)
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Thanks everyone. Looks like I'm going to have to do some more research on attaching the column.
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#19 Posted : Friday, June 22, 2012 12:57:15 PM(UTC)
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Study long and study wrong. Best of Fortunes Sir. Dont come over here crying in the post toasties if the upside down bowl do not work as anticipated. Not to even mention the thirty bucks it cost to buy one at Bed Bath and Beyond. The made in China stuff do not play well in this application. I worked with a hard headed dumb Yankee from Iowa. I feels your pain. After keg one is destroyed hopefully you can make a comeback in a more receptive Modus Operandi. Let me guess. Do you like kidney beans in the chili? Numb nuts yankees drive me crazy. May the Lord richly bless your endeavor.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2012 6:00:10 AM(UTC)
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Ok....I got the guts (ball valve assembly) out of my keg. I see where I can get an assembly kit for my 2" copper column to assemble (#16608) onto the top of my keg from Mile Hi Distilling. Looks like the the copper piece attaches to my column and then it appears the copper piece attaches to the stainless steel attachment. How does the stainless stell attach to the keg? How does one attach brass screen to the bottom of the column to hold the rasching rings in place? I like the set up but can't picture how it all fits together. Ideas?
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