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Offline muadib2001  
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:09:41 AM(UTC)
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Would the addition of the following help the yeast when they undergo cell division?

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(Yeast that was used by brewers and is now dead. From the Red Star website: "Brewer's yeast is a by-product of the brewing industry. After 5-10 succeeding beer fermentations, the yeast, due to increasing contamination, loses its viability and activity and is no longer acceptable for making beer. The yeast then becomes surplus and can be used for the production of food flavors, feed formulations or as nutritional yeast food. Brewer's Yeast is a dried, inactive yeast that has no fermenting power. It is sold for its nutritional qualities as it is very high in at least 10 separate B-vitamin factors."

Would anything in the ingredients listed be bad for the ferment?

For a 5 gallon batch size, what would be an acceptable amount of this product to use?

When would be the proper time to add this inactive yeast (boiling water, cooking the mash, pitching the yeast, etc)?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 12:57:32 PM(UTC)
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"I cant comment on the ingredients; but i have been using yeast hulls in all my washes both for vodka and whiskey,.

It has been so long that i dont remember why i decided to make it part of every fermentation that i do."
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#3 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:18:37 PM(UTC)
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I use it in all my washes as well. It functions as a yeast nutrient. I put it in ( roughly an eighth cup) when cooking the mash
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#4 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 10:59:19 PM(UTC)
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I use it in all my washes as well. It functions as a yeast nutrient. I put it in ( roughly an eighth cup) when cooking the mash


why when cooking the mash?:)"
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#5 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:15:28 PM(UTC)
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Figure it would free more nutrients for availability, kinda like making tea; and to minimize potential infection
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#6 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:17:43 PM(UTC)
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Figure it would free more nutrients for availability, kinda like making tea; and to minimize potential infection[/QUO

Do you still use them in the fermenting ???:)"
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#7 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:26:52 PM(UTC)
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Yep. Unless I'm misunderstanding a term, I boil everything to melt sugar and sterilize all ingredients except enzymes when used and the yeast; add the last two when it cools
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#8 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:31:29 PM(UTC)
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Yep. Unless I'm misunderstanding a term, I boil everything to melt sugar and sterilize all ingredients except enzymes when used and the yeast; add the last two when it cools

I was just wondering if i missedsomething. The use of hull in fermenting is a plus as i see it. I am researching for information about adding hulls to the mash. In thinkinh about it, they are dead already so you are not killing anything. I just wonder if heating the hulls produces any other products.:)"
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#9 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:54:12 PM(UTC)
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"""I just wonder if heating the hulls produces any other products""
I suppose it could but then again so could cooking the mash as well. I'm not worried about it; I'm more concerned with an infected mash/wort/wash....it happened to me once. Early in my readings it was noted to put ""B"" vitamins in, yeast hulls has plenty of that and other nutrients. A plain sugar wash has nothing so YH is a good fix"
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#10 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2012 1:04:06 AM(UTC)
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Looks like if dead yeast was going to help...a person could just wait around and get their own dead yeast at the end of the ferment. As a yeast nutrient wonder how it compares in cost and effectiveness to a small can of tomato paste? As far as providing B vitamins the brewers yeast should be the winner. Some raw vegan types who consume the stuff claim to be able to get enough B's to be able to skip eating meat and eggs.


BW i believe that you have to ""wash your dead yeast or something like that. At any rate hulls are not cheap and are recomended in the fermenter."
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#11 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2012 1:25:04 AM(UTC)
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I think the reason for the dead yeast in the ferment is for the live yeast to have material for their cell division during the oxygen phase.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2012 12:16:59 PM(UTC)
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I found a discussion on HD.Org by rtalbigr on yeasts and nutrients [/URL]

"First of all, 5 gms (approx. 1 teaspoon) of most active yeast contains 150 million cells. In a proper environment a yeast colony will double in size approximately every four hours for 24-48 hrs depending on oxygen availability and nutrient availability. Proper nutrients are most important in the aerobic stage because this is when the colony growth occurs. Over abundance of nutrients accelerates growth but the result is larger numbers but weaker cells. While there is a long list of desirable nutrients the most important appear to be nitrogen in a usable form such as DAP or urea, Vit B1, lipids (yeast hulls), and a sufficient supply of O2. It is during this period that staging nutrients is important to get a healthy colony started and then to sustain growth as the colony grows. During the aerobic phase no alcohol is being produced. The yeast metabolize the available sugars and the resulting products are simpler sugars and CO2."

"When all the O2 is depeleted the yeast switch to the anaerobic conditions. This is when actual fermentation of the sugars to alcohol begins. Colony growth stops. Gas production is significantly reduced. Nutrients are no longer an important consideration. The significant factor now is the health of the colony. A healthy colony will have better alcohol tolerance and better attenuation, and the result wil be a more complete ferment."

Later on he said: "Over pitching and excessive amounts of nutrients establishes a very large colony but one that is less than healthy. Pitching proper amounts of yeast and using a controlled and staged addition of nutrients results in a much healthier yeast colony. The possibility of off tastes and undesirable by-products is greatly reduced or even eliminated and one will have a better final product."

Makes sense to me. Here's a link on yeast attenuation: [URL]http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/homebrew_terms.html
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