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Offline curtsat15  
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:42:37 AM(UTC)
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Hey guys! Just running my first mash through the pot still. So far so good! getting about 1 pint hooch per gallon (it's a small still) and tastes pretty good! Cutting the fores, but saving for paint stripper. A couple questions though: What can I do with the leftovers? Also can I use the leftover solid mash? Thanks again! I'll post back soon.:)
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#2 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:22:50 AM(UTC)
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Congrat's Curt!!!!! I am pretty new at this too but these are questions I am sure BigWheel or Texaswhitewolf can answer, those guy's can help you out!!!!! Happy stilling!BigGrin
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#3 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:21:22 AM(UTC)
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hey how big ur still? what type wash you running ? depend on the mas you can reuse it to make a sour mash same for the back set left in the pot after ur run
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#4 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:47:54 AM(UTC)
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Great yield. I would take a pint per gallon any old day.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:58:02 AM(UTC)
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thats what i get off mine about a pint a gall
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#6 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:48:54 AM(UTC)
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Hmmm..maybe its the difference on pot vs reflux. On a good typical run I normally get 2 quarts..2.5 on a real good run out of five six gallon wash. The pot run I got the same amount out of the same sized wash..not counting a quart of stinky tails..cept it check only 120 when the refluxer normally come out around 170. Are yall counting tails?
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#7 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:56:07 AM(UTC)
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tails i'll get atleast a pint or two exter total with tail i usally get 5 or 6 pint total from a 4.5gals of wash
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#8 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:13:34 AM(UTC)
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Ok gotcha. Running the hot weather..over stressed..over sugared cornmeal and tomater paste wash I have been over stressed about too..lol. Through the fores and bound to be most of the heads. Whew they putting out some exotic smells..sorta like Gulf Light or something. Heat is staying real low..just barely giving it water and still hovering at 173 last I looked. Not sure if that is a good or bad sign. Any predictions? Thanks.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:21:03 AM(UTC)
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hope some good stuff comes off for you there big sound good
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#10 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:32:45 AM(UTC)
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Thank you Sir. It still drippin and hanging around 170 give or take one or two. Still not getting hardly any water. Havent had one act like that before. Must be some kinda clue..lol
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#11 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:36:29 AM(UTC)
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lol hopefully for the best
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#12 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:14:08 AM(UTC)
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Been running a gallon at a time, as I said, small still. How much of the backset should I use when I make the next mash? Same for the sourmash. The way I'm doing things is quite a pain. I realize now I shoulda built the still to accommodate my whole wash. And no, not keeping much tails. Bigger still coming soon!
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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:22:56 AM(UTC)
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Seems like the most prevalent good advice say one gallon backset to a five six gallon wash. Anybody who claims to use two gallons for a similar sized batch aint tried it yet. Makes mighty flavorful hooch just not much of it. I would guess the sweet spot be more than one but less than two. Now I could break out the old slide rule and miniaturize this for the small stillers..but left it in my other pants or something. Surely we have some math majors on here who know how to figger that out by the liter or centimeter etc. The Guru say to boil up the sugar in the backset. Si si?
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#14 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:43:57 AM(UTC)
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big if you need math help try this http://homedistiller.org/calcs
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#15 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:11:11 AM(UTC)
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Well I thunk of that angle and decided we got a problemo Jouston. We need to know how big of a batch the young fellow decide to whup up at one time. Now if I had my slide rule I could figger out how big is the bucket by using simple algebra. Wished I could find that crazy thing.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:32:17 AM(UTC)
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lol i suck at math thank god people mad it easy lol
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#17 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:40:04 AM(UTC)
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"On the Neutral in reflux I have been averaging a pint per gallon of wash from the start. I usualy get 5 pints of hearts which i cut to 4-5 quarts of 90 proof per 5 gallons of wash. I cast off the first 2 oz then collect it a pint at a time, measuring the abv of each pint. According to my notes my highest abv was 186 proof, usually runs around 170. With the temp turned down I run mine based on flow, when the flow slows down to a drip every 3-4 seconds i stop collecting. Usually I'm done, and save the hot backset for my next batch. I use about 2 1/2 gals backset and more sugar and tomato paste, then add cool water, makes for 50/50 backset to fresh water. Next day I add yeast and away we go.

The rum produced about 3-4 pints per 5 gallons and the abv fell off real quick, starting around 170 then fell to 100. I then cut it to 3-4 quarts of 90 proof."
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#18 Posted : Friday, July 20, 2012 12:47:48 AM(UTC)
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Big and Tex, listening to you two I think I am solving some issue's. I don't have a Therm on my pot I have one at the top of my column. I have noticed that I don't get anything started until about 155 d on my Therm and my good stuff shows up around 182. I was thinking it may be because of my Therm, but now I am thinking that I am actually running it too hot. Whats you guys thoughts on this? I am in the Mt.'s at 6600 ft elevation do you think that has anything to do with it. Any advice appreciated.:)
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#19 Posted : Friday, July 20, 2012 1:25:22 AM(UTC)
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"shit i dont have a therm at all go by touch and smell. see all that therm stiff mess me up i heat my still on high till its start boiling full my consider when i start seeing drips comeing out i knock it down to 3 on my stove and ride it on that till i get about 5 pints. what you use as a heating up ur still with fat? hey this from hd froums
Acetone 56.5C (134F)
Methanol (wood alcohol) 64C (147F)
Ethyl acetate 77.1C (171F)
Ethanol 78C (172F)
2-Propanol (rubbing alcohol) 82C (180F)
1-Propanol 97C (207F)
Water 100C (212F)
Butanol 116C (241F)
Amyl alcohol 137.8C (280F)
Furfural 161C (322F)"
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#20 Posted : Friday, July 20, 2012 1:30:05 AM(UTC)
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"Once together, a mixture of several of them will be slightly different however. You no longer get them coming off seperately, but always as a mixture. Fortunately for us though, each of the species will tend to dominate around its boiling point temperature, thus we know whats ""mostly"" coming off at that point. By tracking the temperature of the vapour, you have a fairly good idea when you're collecting the Ethanol your after (78-82 °C), vs when it is starting to get lean and you're into the higher alcohols.

Note that you may also need to adjust the temperature if you are distilling at altitude - the higher above sea level you are, the lower boiling temperatures become because of the reduced air pressure.

Mark writes
Here is what I found. I'm at 7000 foot, i did a test run and water boils at 199 here. Thats 93% of 212. so i cut my tables by that. Maybe this will help others. http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents/Calib-boil.html
Jack adds though ..
Actually, % of alcohol is a more reliable method of measuring cutoff points than temperature is. Thermometer placement in a still can cause a major difference in how the temp is read. Everyone's still is different- the % is more likely to give predictable results, where the temp can be off by more than 10F either high or low- giving the wrong results when duplication of anothers' run is being tried.
Sometimes with the tails though, even the % isn't accurate enough, with smelly tails sneaking through with little apparent notice. This is when you should also let your nose guide you - collect a few drops on the back of a spoon every so often, and check what they smell like, on a regular basis.



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