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Offline Farmin in the woods  
#1 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 7:34:05 AM(UTC)
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"Howdy all, as we all know, its summertime and hot as blazes in my neck of the woods. When I started this it was spring and I had my fermentor in the kitchen on the floor and it stayed at a constant 74 degrees.

Now I've moved the works out in the shed, have a couple more fermentors (5 gallon buckets w/ lids) and its over 100 degrees almost everyday.

I started using the birdwatcher recipe w/ bakers yeast and was getting a pint of 170 proof to the gallon, when the temp was around 80-85 max. I recently switched to Crosby and whoever distillers yeast, and leaving the wash in the shed it goes over 100 degrees most days. I went out there last night about 11:30 and it was still 90.

My last two washes the abv fell alot quicker and it only made 3/4 pint to the gallon.

Is it the change in yeast, the change in weather, both, or none? The yeast package says it makes up to 22% abv, but now its making less than the fleishmanns bakers. The package also says the one pound package will treat 500-1000 gallons of wash, so I started using 1 tsp per 5 gallons, then moved to 3 tsp per 5 gallon when the wash didnt have the abv im used to.

Another thing; due to work, life, etc, i had to leave the wash in the shed for a week or 2 before i could run it.

Any thoughts, comments, advise is welcomed."
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#2 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 7:45:23 AM(UTC)
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I feels your pain. Suffering through the same malady on this end. Just finished my second overheated low yield-er. Looking like maybe 2 qts out of a ten gallon wash. The good advice I got to correct the problem is to keep it cool. I get the next batch started under the AC at least for a week or two. Keeping it in the house aint a viable option. Got by with the hot stillin in early summer but think now it just too hot. Dont much think its the yeastes fault. Smart bread yeast folks keep it cool too from what I heard. Person should prob run all 3 seasons and store enough to sip through summer dawg days without having to put a fire in the hole.
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#3 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 10:59:17 AM(UTC)
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Hot weather. Figger some way to cool it down. Batch that just got run had a similar childhood and just delivered a bunch of hooch. Only thing it got different from its low yielding brethern from run before last was 3 days under the nice cool AC prior to running. Im thinking the nice temps may have energized the yeast who sprung back to life and ate more sugar. Whatcha think?
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#4 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 11:43:05 AM(UTC)
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I think the Crosby & Baker DADY likes to be around 90°F +/-2°F during the ferment. See http://homedistiller.org/forum/...mp;t=29912&p=6996127
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#5 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 2:47:33 PM(UTC)
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Glad you came up with that info. Just went and checked temps in the hoochin shack wherein is my fresh starting ferment. Temps at 100 plus. I turned on the AC. This is gonna be some expensive cheap hooch. Plan to make a dedicated effort to store up enough over the cooler months to be able to skip this non sense next summer.
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#6 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 3:02:38 PM(UTC)
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You're the one that chose the yeast that requires the specific temperature. Work within the required parameter!
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#7 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 3:07:40 PM(UTC)
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Hot weather. Figger some way to cool it down. Batch that just got run had a similar childhood and just delivered a bunch of hooch. Only thing it got different from its low yielding brethern from run before last was 3 days under the nice cool AC prior to running. Im thinking the nice temps may have energized the yeast who sprung back to life and ate more sugar. Whatcha think?


A BUNCH OF HOOCH?????? Could you please be just a little more specific there BW. Like how much wort, how many pints it made, abv? Now THAT would be helpful. Also, what kind of yeast are you using? Thanks.

Muadib, your on the money, I got a lb of the DADY...not sure what it stands for. I read the thread you posted, it warns of pitching too much yeast, which I may have done, proper aerating, which I havent done, and nutrients, which i didnt do as it was a cornmeal/sugar wash. Does a cornmeal/sugar wash need nutrients? Also it talks of proper PH, but it has never been a problem before using baker's.

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#8 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 3:31:16 PM(UTC)
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DADY = Distillers Active Dry Yeast

Every wash requires specific nutrients for the yeast to survive.

Ordinary tap water should be fine.
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#9 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 3:45:15 PM(UTC)
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I used Bakers yeast when I did the All Bran recipie and when I did the Graham Cracker SMOP recipie. Both worked out fine.

Using too much? I hardly doubt it. The purists would argue with me, but whatever gets the job done!
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#10 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 3:50:32 PM(UTC)
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Well I aint poured it all up yet..but it was a ten gallon wash with Daddy..lol. I can see its going to be a bunch because it used up a bunch of jars. I dont stab it till I get all the non stinky stuff mixed together. Normally it hits 170 proof near each time. That crazy thing never did quit dripping..just slowed down while reeking strongly of tails and I was getting tired of fooling with it. Will say it prob aint going to be as much as it should since it got so stressed from the heat but was more than I was expecting..since the other wash just like it only coughed up a quart for six gallons. Big improvement over that malarkey. Cornmeal dont need any nutes. Least the yellow dont. Not sure on the white as I aint never used it.

PS Edit: Got industrious this morn gave the jars an edumacated sniff test and combined the finished product. Came up with about 2.5 qts. which is way under what it should be but could be worse considering how shabby the wash got treated. Now have a fresh 10 gallon ferment started and its chilling and simpering in the extraction shed under the AC at slightly less than 80. Should be mo betta on the volume next time. Seemed about typical on the alchyhol content but as I say previously I think but I dont bother to check it till its ready to be proofed.


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A BUNCH OF HOOCH?????? Could you please be just a little more specific there BW. Like how much wort, how many pints it made, abv? Now THAT would be helpful. Also, what kind of yeast are you using? Thanks.

Muadib, your on the money, I got a lb of the DADY...not sure what it stands for. I read the thread you posted, it warns of pitching too much yeast, which I may have done, proper aerating, which I havent done, and nutrients, which i didnt do as it was a cornmeal/sugar wash. Does a cornmeal/sugar wash need nutrients? Also it talks of proper PH, but it has never been a problem before using baker's.

Thanks all.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:58:04 PM(UTC)
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I started a 20 gal mash batch and the OG was 1.090 with a potent ABV 0f 12 %, tonight I hit 72hrs on and I decided to look again.......The SG is now 1.052 with a potent ABV of 7%....Confused Whats going on with that is that the norm????????Blushing
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:03:35 PM(UTC)
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I started a 20 gal mash batch and the OG was 1.090 with a potent ABV 0f 12 %, tonight I hit 72hrs on and I decided to look again.......The SG is now 1.052 with a potent ABV of 7%....Confused Whats going on with that is that the norm????????Blushing



What sounds wrong??"
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:13:01 PM(UTC)
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BigGrinI'm pretty new at this Scotty, but dropping from 12 ABV to 7 in just 72 hrs kinda got me worried..........Never tried a batch this large!!!!!! So you are saying I should be Ok and this is the Normal reaction???????
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:48:09 PM(UTC)
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It sounds normal to me. The hydrometer is just showing that the yeast have consumed some of the sugars and produced ~5% alcohol.

Is the ferment still active? You have a ways to go (try for a finishing specific gravity of .980-1.000)
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:59:10 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Muadib, my ferment is still active but not overly........should I add more yeast?????? My mix was 35 lbs sugar, 20 gal water, 5 lbs cornmeal and 15 7g packs of flieshmanns highly active yeast.........I can see it working the meal around but not to real overly active......Thoughts!!!!!!!:)
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:16:07 PM(UTC)
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If you still see some activity, just leave it alone and let it finish.

What is the temperature of the wash? I think Flieshmanns yeast like the temperature to be about 80-85°F.

Your starting gravity was a bit high. Try to aim for 1.080. Osmotic pressure will be too great if you go over 1.080 and the yeast wil not be able to consume the sugars. HD website has a calculator to determine water/sugar ratios: http://homedistiller.org/calcs/sugar_sg
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:51:53 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Muadib.....I'll check it out!!!!!!! My temp is cooler then that its in my garage and it stays about 70-80 in there at all time....I am at 6600 ft elv.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:03:54 PM(UTC)
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Great site Muadib.....love the calculators......looks like you were right on the OG........according to the calc I used about 2.5 gals too much water.......OhMyGod I am sure it will be Ok, I'll let you know!!!!!!!
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:16:13 PM(UTC)
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"Fatboylo, I did the same thing on my first wash, and I forgot the part in the instructions where it says the SG will fall as the sugar is consumed. So if it says at first the potential abv is 12%, than at the end it shows a abv of 2%, ur wash is at 10%. At least thats the way i got it.

Muadib, is there a yeast that can withstand higher temps than the DADY? If so, I may need some until fall.

Thanks all"
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:07:56 PM(UTC)
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Yep farmin it all makes sense now........I don't think I had heard that but it all makes perfect sense!!!!!!BigGrinBlushing
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