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Offline dieselduo  
#21 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:17:50 PM(UTC)
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nice rig you got going there. Enjoy
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#22 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:28:08 PM(UTC)
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Yes highly nice even though I could not seem to remember how to plug it in the search window. I have a good pic of it in the mind's eye. The Senor Moments seem to be getting closer together for some reason. Hey Heeler as long as you get to God's Country as often as you can...that should make you qualify as a least an Honorary Citizen. I will have to tell you about my old Cowboy Days sometime. I was trying to drive a big herd of Bumble Bees across the mighty Red one harsh Winter. It was not pleasant and then the lead Bumble Bee got mired up in quicksand and had to be lassoed. I will tell you all about it sometime.
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#23 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:55:13 PM(UTC)
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"Hi Johnny, from the pictures it looks like your input to the tower is going in at the bottom and coming out at the top of the tower. You need to have the coldest water at the top of the tower, not the warmest, in order to regulate the temp efficiently. The coldest point on the tower is at the top.
On another note you may consider a digital remote thermometer. I find it very helpful and easy to read. comes in handy when you need to go get another beer and they are a lot easier to read.
Have Fun."
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#24 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:41:35 PM(UTC)
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Bushey I believe that he is connected that way because the books recomend that.
I have it hooked up that way too

HOWEVER. I think you have the right idea. Now that you have mede my life more complicated with improved methods i seem to remember someone having 2 separate water feeds.
One for the condenser and one for the tower.


Is that what you are doing???

I really like your method of cooling water to the tower first. in fact 2 feeds if cool water, one to the tower and one to the condenser is sounding better.

I'm switching to coin collecting.
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#25 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 12:08:20 AM(UTC)
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Great Advice Bushy, however in my research i've read that it isn't always necessary to cool the column if the temps are correct only to cool the temps that way and leave the heat source alone. They book shows a totally different way of connecting it up. I hooked it up that way looked at it and thought about it and to me it just didn't make sense so...thankful the this and another forum and a few photos the setup I have is what is recommended. The way i have it now is that I can run cool water to both the column and the condenser and if the temps are right then I can only run water to the condenser and not the column. I've also read about having two pumps one for the column and one for the condenser looks like a lot more money if ya ask me.
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#26 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 2:40:55 AM(UTC)
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Well an extra sump pump only cost around twenty bucks which aint earth shattering more expensive but cant imagine it being needed if there is some good control to the condenser input which is where the bulk of the available cooling water gets wasted. Which you seem to have that aspect under control. Now did you mount a ball valve or similar control mechanism on there? Still cant pull up the photo bucket pic.
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#27 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 2:48:45 AM(UTC)
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Hi Johnny and Scotty, Yes the manual does say to run the tower water from the bottom up which makes no sense to me but maybe the admin can clarify why that is recommended.
I do use two different pumps, one for the tower and one for the condencer. I also have a brass ball valve inline to both for a more precise water control. This works well for me, but allways open to a better idea.
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#28 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 4:45:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bushy Go to Quoted Post
Hi Johnny and Scotty, Yes the manual does say to run the tower water from the bottom up which makes no sense to me but maybe the admin can clarify why that is recommended.
I do use two different pumps, one for the tower and one for the condencer. I also have a brass ball valve inline to both for a more precise water control. This works well for me, but allways open to a better idea.
Have Fun


All of the makers of these SS stills say to feed water through the condenser. Probably mainly in pot mode thats the only way to do it.
It would also automatically eliminate the possibility of the water heated in the tower first from accidently getting too warm to condense the alcohol. When we get near the end of the run i can see that accidently happening.

HOWEVER I like your idea best. If my car radiator cooling device works then i will also incorporate your method.
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#29 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 5:15:09 AM(UTC)
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I would never run all my water through the condenser & the reflux tubes, even when I used only 1 pump. Then I used the Tee fitting Rick sent & split the stream. Now I have 2 pumps, but usually use the hose fitting for my reflux water. Ever since I had a well dug I don't mind watering the grass with the reflux water. This way my 40 gal tank for condenser water doesn't heat up as quick.

On the condenser - in at the bottom, reflux in at the top. This way the steam always approaches from warmer to cooler. Otherwise it would be possible to overrun the cooling & reflash.
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#30 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 5:25:03 AM(UTC)
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Hmmm..cant imagine that well pump spitting out such a weak stream it cant cool off that whole mess. Might have it checked for prostate issues..lol. Invest in a couple of ball valves young man. One to regulate the flow to the condenser and the other going to the column. One input from the well. Put beer in the ice chest..lol.
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#31 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 6:10:56 AM(UTC)
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Naw - 40 gal horse tank handles the condenser just fine, even in this 100* heat. 20 gal until it get warm & then fill it on up. Runs all day & I don't dump so much on the yard, as the condenser will flow a lot. I charge the reflux lines & leave them still until the temp comes up. Then I give it moderate flow for as long as I wish to reflux (usually about 45 min), then I turn the water down to a steady drip & that's enough to control the heat until about midway, then I have to turn the water up to a very small stream. That works until I get to the tails & then I just shut off the water & pull it hard to get the starter for the next run.
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#32 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 6:29:27 AM(UTC)
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Would nearly bet if you got the ball valves you can run the whole shebang from the hoss tank. Maybe just squirt a little cold well water down in there so you dont have to be freezing ice buckets etc. Think Bayou dispensed a good tip one time..among many of course..anyway he say it dont take real cool water to make that stuff work. It can get fairly warmish and still work just fine. I draw from the cement pond and its above 90 these days. Cools down everything with a stream of water prob less than 1/4 of what you get from the well. Maybe not as strong or the volume with comes out of the sump pump. Just trying to help save water and manuel labor here:) I had an old gentleman neighbor one time who always raised a big garden..claimed he could use city water cheaper than he could pay the electric charges to run his well pump. You ever heard of anything like that? Everybody say he must have a real old inefficient pump.
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#33 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 6:51:47 AM(UTC)
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BW: sorry that ya still can't see the photos. Yes i have a valve on my input cooling line in-between the condenser and the column. The only thing i may change is my input hose into the column and have it go into the top tube instead of the bottom, thats no big deal to change. I'm heading to the homebrew store later to pick up some distillers yeast and get home and mix up something to cook. i'm ready to fire this extractor up and start extractin...
thanks for the great advice I'm really excited about starting my first wash then running it. I've made notes along the way to read i've done that and re-read them many times just doing some small last minute things.
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#34 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 8:21:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ratflinger Go to Quoted Post
On the condenser - in at the bottom, reflux in at the top. This way the steam always approaches from warmer to cooler. Otherwise it would be possible to overrun the cooling & reflash.

Rat,

Sorry, you lost me here.

Are you saying that you would run the output of your product condenser (top of product condenser) to the top tube of your column condenser? And could you explain what you mean by ""overrun the cooling & reflash"" ? I'm not challenging this ... I'm just not sure I'm understanding.

Thanks,
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#35 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 8:47:20 AM(UTC)
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I got cornfused too..not that that bring any comfort..lol. I tend to be easily..flabbergasted? On mine if you get a full frontal view with the condenser to the left where the hooch lands in the slop jar ok..the drain hose for the entire ball of wax seems to be low and straight ahead. I had a bunch of grand chillins trying to figger out how to hook up a 3 D apparatus from a flat schematic. They bound to got it right cuz I aint notice any insurmountable problemos like reflashing..whatever that might prove to be...other than the cheesy snap on hose clamps aint worth a caca. I have popped hoses loose in places which should not even have places. The auto parts store should become your best friend for good clamps. If you dont replace any do the one which inputs to the condenser. It start dripping unbeknownst to the operator and flow down the side of the pipe and fill the hooch jar with cool clear water. Person can get a weak hooch rap on that deal. Best of fortunes on your run Johnny..kindly keeps us posted. Best plan is to use the Tiawan clamps where it aint supposed to need any..and use the good clamps where is say your supposed to have one. Then start replacing them in non strategic locations as circumstances warrant.
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#36 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 9:31:29 AM(UTC)
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alright Bushy here's what ive done, not sure its right but i've read about this hookup and in theory sounds good.
http://s119.photobucket....ums/o160/kf4pch/Project/

If any others want to chime in do so...


JOHNNY YOU ARE RUINING MY LIFE. NOW I HAVE TO CHANGE MY COOLING SETUP. I WAS PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH MY LESS EFFICIENT RIG.

After seeing your pictures i remembered a valving system i made a couple of years back. Soo because i had some valves, i started assembling this for later use


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#37 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 11:59:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: John Barleycorn Go to Quoted Post
Rat,

Sorry, you lost me here.

Are you saying that you would run the output of your product condenser (top of product condenser) to the top tube of your column condenser? And could you explain what you mean by "overrun the cooling & reflash" ? I'm not challenging this ... I'm just not sure I'm understanding.

Thanks,
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No - top of the condenser is the return line back to tank. I run 2 separate water circuits. Reflash - pushing the column so hard that the condensate moves fro liquid back to vapor. ie, cooler water at the top of the condenser with the water exit at the bottom. Vapor initially cools, but then is allowed to get warmer as it travels the condensate tube. If you are pushing the column too hard you might cause the condensate to reflash back to steam. Not likely, but possible.
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#38 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 12:04:07 PM(UTC)
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You don't need 2 ball valves for this rig. You put one valve between the tee & the condenser inlet. Tee goes to the reflux. Water under pressure will follow the path of least resistance, ie, straight through the valve to the condenser. Closing the valve will force some water through the reflux tubes. However, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with 2 valves. I have opted for one pump for the condenser & water hose for the reflux, although I do have a 2nd pump for the reflux too.
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#39 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 4:30:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ratflinger Go to Quoted Post
No - top of the condenser is the return line back to tank. I run 2 separate water circuits. Reflash - pushing the column so hard that the condensate moves fro liquid back to vapor. ie, cooler water at the top of the condenser with the water exit at the bottom. Vapor initially cools, but then is allowed to get warmer as it travels the condensate tube. If you are pushing the column too hard you might cause the condensate to reflash back to steam. Not likely, but possible.


Hey Rat what is the reason you want to have your condensate heat back up before exiting? I always thought a condenser's purpose was to cool things down. Does it make a difference in quality? What am I missing.
Have Fun.
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#40 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 10:41:55 PM(UTC)
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Man - you guys don't need to sample the product so hard. I don't want my condensate to heat back up - that's why my cool water enters the bottom & exits the top. My post #37 was what possibly could happen if you plumb the other way.
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