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Offline Mercerks  
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:00:58 PM(UTC)
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"I just got my brewhaus products. Got the 8 Gallon premium kettle, the essential PSII. Gonna run it on a propane burner. For my first wash I am doing a basic corn wash to around 12%.
My question is, how is the best way to start to run. Both sections put together? Any packing? How is the water best run? I was going to run into the condenser, then run that same into the cross tubes. Or should the tubes and the condenser be run on their own system?
Whats the best way to know heads, hearts, tails? This is all so new, doing lots of reading, yet still lost. Thanks for the help....Confused"
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#2 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:29:14 PM(UTC)
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"I've just started also but I'll give my .02 worth. I have the same setup as you, propane heat (get some extra tanks). After running 2 reflux runs and seeing how hot the water gets from cooling both the tower and condenser, I got another water pump and another 55 gallon barrel (you'll need to get 16' more feet of tubing) so now have separate cooling water to tower and condenser. Still trying to get the hang of balancing the temp but am enjoying the learning process.

Had some good product out of my reflux run last weekend and have 3 more batches of sugar wash fermenting.

Regards to all."
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#3 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:17:47 PM(UTC)
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"Hi Mercerks, If running for flavor then you run in Pot mode. You can one or both sections of your tower for Pot mode, I only use the top section. The taller the tower is the more separation you get and that equals less flavor/higher alcohol percentage.
In Pot mode you ONLY cool the condencer Not the tower. It's a good idea to use at least one roll of copper in your tower in Pot mode to cut the sulfides from the product.Some use two or three I only use one.
For a reflux run most folks including myself use a sugar wash since your going for a neutral flavor and hig percentage in the end product.
In this type of run I fill both sections of the tower with copper rolls and put a few small balls of copper around the cooling tubes at the top of the tower.
As far as the cooling water is concerned I run two pumps, onr for the tower and one for the condencer. I use a 150qt cooler for the water source and have 12 1gal. milk jugs that I fill with water and freeze to use as needed to keep the water cooled down.
Start your burner and turn your tower water onleave the condencer water off at this time. When your mash/wash starts to boil turn your heat down low. keep the tower water on full for at least 1/2 to 1 hour so the tower goes into full reflux and settles.
After that time has passed the tower has layered the product inside with the lightest at the tpo and heaviest at the bottom.
At this time turn on your condencer water and slow down your tower water, and keep your burner on low.
When the first liquid starts coming out of the condencer it's going to be some nasty stuff. I will throw the first 100 to 150ml. Some say you only need to throw out the first 50ml. Better safe than sorry, besides it does'nt smell good, don't know about the taste.
After that I use pint mason jars and only fill them 1/2 full,(250ml), to make my cuts with. Takes anywhere from 12 to 18 jars for a 5 gallon run. I number them with a marker so I can tell first from last.
The run is over when whats coming out of the condencer starts to stink again, The beginning has an odor also. The Heads have an off odor, the Hearts if anything smells like alcohol, then the Tails start getting a strong odor again.
When you've run as far into the tails as you want to,they contain less alcohol also. Then turn your burner off and pull the plug at the top of your tower and turn your pump off.
I arrange my collection jars in order of prduction put a coffee filter over the top and use the lid ring to secure it all. Let them air out for at least 2 or 3 days, better a week, then go back and do a sniff test, starting in the middle. If you have 11 jars star with jar #6 then 5 then 7 etc. You'll be able to tell the difference unless you have a serious nose problem.
I prefer the hearts for drinking after dilution. But I will take some of the hearts mix a little of the heads and tails dilute to about 120proof add oak chips,medium toast, for about 3 weeks. Then add 1/4 tsp vanilla extract,real, not imitation, or a 1/4 vanilla bean and a splash of real maple syrup. Take out the chips and dilute to 80 or 90 proof and serve it up.
Ok nuff said. Anything else will wait
Have Fun"
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#4 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:50:35 PM(UTC)
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"Getting late forgot to mention a few things.
In Pot mode turn your burner and your water to the condencer in the begining. No tower water needed. You can controll your out put a little bit with your burner but ast the alcohol is reduced in your pot the temp is going to rise no matter what you do. When to quit is determined by the smell of the product.
In Reflux you out put is controlled with the tower water. If your useing a one pump set up I would run into the top of the tower and down and out to the bottom of the condencer.
In Reflux as you start getting product you want to regulate the tower temp. You start getting ethanol, the good stuff, at 172 degrees. Useing the tower water flow stabilize the temp in the tower as close as you can to that point. Mine usually stabilizes between 172 and 176. When you get up above 180 degrees you will start getting tails mixed in with hearts. At 184 degrees is where The tails start coming through strong.
Have fun"
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#5 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2012 7:54:39 AM(UTC)
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I just bought a PSII today from a local fella and he has no manual with it what are the tube holes for on the top of the column? I'm unsure how the clear hoses hook up could someone advice me or send me photos? Also what is the Stainless Steel chain for in the kettle?
Thanks for the info.
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#6 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2012 8:10:10 AM(UTC)
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Hi Johnny, the tubes at the top are for the cooling water to pass through. The top tube is the input, on the opposite side you come out and down to the next tube and so on. When you have one hole left that will either go to the bottom of your condencer or back to your water source or drain. This setup is used when you are running a reflux run and going for a neutral flavor.
If you are wanting more flavor you will run in Pot mode. Useing only the top half of your tower and use ing water only in the condencer.
The chain is for cleaning the boiler insides. Also sometimes left inside the boiler during the run and used to break up the larger bubbles during the boil.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:16:20 AM(UTC)
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For the tower tubes, I went fancy and got brass compression fittings and braided stainless hosed that connect all three and left two ends open for the entry and exit. The 12" from Lowe's work and look nice. Went with just the large braided clear high temp hoses for the supply and exit. You only need the chain to breakup the dirty stuff inside the kettle. Personally, I let it soak to save money.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:18:08 AM(UTC)
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Bushy, you are becoming my hero. Keep up the great responses
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#9 Posted : Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:44:02 AM(UTC)
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I agree......with this hobby you can't price experience!!!!!!!! leaarnt alot myself and don't own one of these con trap sions..........
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#10 Posted : Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:18:28 AM(UTC)
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And its rare to find someone on a forum that isn't full of complete BS
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#11 Posted : Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:23:29 AM(UTC)
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Yep you right!!!!!!! Bunch of good ole boys here for sure.......
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:15:25 AM(UTC)
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This thread started out as a serious question, with serious answers, and after a page of actual discussion has been completely taken over (and off track) by bigwheel and fatboylo. Keep your discussion pertinent to the thread or take it to the Just for Fun area. People do not want to have to weed through multiple pages of two people chit-chatting in order to find answers. The non-relevant posts have been removed.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:05:49 AM(UTC)
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Up and running about 7 gallons of corn wash. Got about 5 pints and temp is only 194. How much should I be getting? It's measuring about 100 proof.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:52:54 AM(UTC)
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Think that inquiry would be dependent on the ABV of the fully fermented wash. They have calculators to figger that stuff out over at the off branded commie liberal place. Taking a wild ass guess you should get 2.5 quarts of drinkable stuff if you got a good scald on the ferment..used plenty of sugar and good yeast. Maybe 3 qts if you been living right..lol. Sounds like a good haul congrats. On a good day I can pull 2.5 qts out of five six gallon wash with ten pounds sugar and distillers yeast. Or could back before I forget how to ferment stuff and the hot weather set in etc. I got a ten gallon messed up wash which should get run tomorrow..if the Lord's willing of course. Had a math talented pal plug in the factoids and he say I will get two qts. since the wash is stuck in limbo at 5%. Which is a bunch more rhumatiz medicine than I have now..so I aint going to nag about that.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:58:33 AM(UTC)
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Jar 15 is filling now. Going to combine heads and tails until I collect enough to rerun. God I already love this hobby
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#16 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:01:29 AM(UTC)
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This wash was around 5% according to the proof measure thingy. Got a sugar wash to run tomorrow that is at 14%
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#17 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:33:49 AM(UTC)
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Well that sugar wash should could make a lot of hooch. What evil befell the current batch to cause it to bottom out at 5%? Thought I was the only one who had those kind of issues.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:38:59 AM(UTC)
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Unknown as to why it stopped at 5
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#19 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:47:34 AM(UTC)
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Join the club. I am hot on the trail for some clues on mine..lol. Thought it got too hot for a while..then I thought it was trying to build a ferment on top of old yeast..then I decided to quit reusing the sludge and keep it cooler. Good news is I have two six gallon batches which appears to be looking good..cept that was the ones which have the flaked rye and one of them has smallish white cornflake looking things floating around on top. It smells good and has already dropped to 1.006 on the wash stabber which is considerably better than the problem ferment. Aint sure what that is. Hope it didnt get a yeast infection or something. I may swear off rye too.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:37:56 AM(UTC)
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My sugar wash topped at 16.3%!!!!!!!
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