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Offline johnnyapplepie  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:31:25 AM(UTC)
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Has anyone ever tried to cook beer in their still to extract the alcohol out? Just a though and wondering if it could be done.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:34:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: johnnyapplepie Go to Quoted Post
Has anyone ever tried to cook beer in their still to extract the alcohol out? Just a though and wondering if it could be done.


I have read in many books that if a person could get some out dated beer that it definitely is a source of
alcohol... A bad batch of wine falls into the same category.


I would use a fractioning still rather than a pot still for this.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:43:08 AM(UTC)
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I was going to try this once. Then I was told that the acids from hops would leave a flavor/smell that is tough to get rid of. I decided to abandon the idea ... so I can't speak from actual experience ... I just figured it wasn't worth it.

--JB
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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:37:12 PM(UTC)
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I've done it a few times and it turns out good. But Scotty's right about useing a reflux instead of pot for processing you'll get a better product.
I ran my first batch thru the pot still and it came out OK, well pretty good actually, but it was brewed with 3 Lb malted barley and 6 Lb of dry dark malt, 9%ABV.
Also ran a batch of amber ale, 10.5% ABV, and it turned out pretty good, but i ended up puting it thru the reflux as it was'nt as good as the dark beer product.
The hops flavor did'nt create a problem for my taste buds, but then I happen to like the flavor of hops.
I'd say run it thru the pot and see if you like it, if not then run it thru the reflux.

Have Fun.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:58:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bushy Go to Quoted Post
The hops flavor did'nt create a problem for my taste buds, but then I happen to like the flavor of hops.

Hi Bushy,

I was vague ... sorry ... they were referring to the smell/flavors that were left in the still and packing ... not the distillate. Other than my packing, I'm all SS. Perhaps the acids react somewhat with the copper and leave a bit of a smell? ... I don't know ... I never really asked enough questions ... just sort of moved on to the next curiosity.:)

Did you have any issues rinsing/cleaning your rig after those runs? Or was it pretty much SOP?

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#6 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:29:31 PM(UTC)
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Beer is basically a low alcohol wash, so it'll work. Most beer is, what, 4-5% alcohol, so you'll end up with 1/2 to 1/3 of what you'd get from a 10-12% wash. Wine works pretty well. It's how I tested my still while I was waiting for my first wash to be done. It made brandy that had pretty ok flavor, considering I drank it right up without aging it at all.Blushing
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#7 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:34:45 PM(UTC)
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Sameo sameo just a regular cleaning. There is not enough hops oil in the mash to be a problem. Only time you would run into a problem is if you were trying to do an essential oil extraction and that is done with a pot still or a dry steam still. Then you would need to clean the whole still down with alcohol. NOT isopropyl alcohol. has to be food grade to keep from contaminating your next batch. And that's a good use for heads and or tails.
I have'nt run very many beer batches because they don't last long enough to go bad usually.

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#8 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:47:17 PM(UTC)
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Interesting info about the hops oils making extra cleaning necessary.
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#9 Posted : Monday, September 17, 2012 12:45:29 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info!

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#10 Posted : Monday, September 17, 2012 9:51:57 PM(UTC)
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"just adding a tidbit.....a buddy of mine has access to used kegs --like returned empties. He was aloud to take em home and ---reflux--the remaining beer out of em and put that in his airboat. He would add 2-3 gallons of water back to the keg and then cook. He said it would burn great since it was virtually devoid of water, but to add he said that it needed what little water was left in it for the compression in the motor!!!! I'm not a mechanic or a motor head but thats what was passed on to me by someone who is.
Of course we all know you can remove the spout from the keg add a tower cook out the etoh and then replace the spout for returning it back to the store."
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:27:27 AM(UTC)
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Like one of the earlier poster wrote, "beer doesn't stay around my house long enough to go bad". lol. I can get access to alot of free "flat" beer. That's why I was asking. hmmm Okay good info here. I may have to get my hands on some and try this. At least once anyway.
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#12 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2012 10:11:41 AM(UTC)
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That is an interesting point, all the excess beer returned to breweries, dumped by them, even pubs could theoretically set up a collection apparatus at the taps...

Sounds like free alcohol to me, and depending on the beer, shouldn't be too bad on the hops. Most American lagers are a joke, 10 IBUs or so. Darker and weaker beers would be the best after that, they would have roasted instead of hop bitterness, guiness anyone? But if you distill an IPA, you might have some hop oils to deal with.

Interesting application, i wonder if this could be a legal side project for a craft brewery to reuse their returned or dumped beer....
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#13 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2012 4:26:07 PM(UTC)
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There is less than 10 parts per 1,000,000 of hops oil in an IPA. Just thought you'd like to know. Hops oil is not a problem to clean out of your tower or copper scrubbers with dish soap and warm water.
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#14 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 12:07:47 PM(UTC)
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Thought ya all might like to see this, it is a 4ml vial that has about 3ml of hops oil in it which is how much oil I extracted from 1 1/2Lb of hops.
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Offline Bushy  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 5:03:37 AM(UTC)
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For those of you worried about running beer through your still because of the hops oils the example of hops oil above shows that if you were to use 4 OZ of hops in a 5 Gal wert you would be adding 7 drops of hops oil to your 5 Gal batch. Most brewers dont use 4 Oz of hops in one batch of beer.
The aroma of hops is what comes from the oils not the bitterness. That is why brewers dry hop for hops aroma as the oils are boiled off during the mashing leaveing little aroma.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:35:28 AM(UTC)
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What in the hell does chili have to do with distilling beer??????
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:00:01 AM(UTC)
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I really did not think you would get the point of the post and you haven't disapointed me.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:14:20 AM(UTC)
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Dang..I had some vibes there was tricksters in the general vicinity. Is this some kinda Halloween deal maybe? Hope it aint another one of them crazy IQ tests again. Actually think I did get the point..you was trying to warn folks not to worry about how much stinky hops oil they would have to deal with in their hooch makers. It seems sorta Elementary Dear Watson..lol. You and your pals break me plumb up.
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