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#1 Posted : Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:25:51 PM(UTC)
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Folks,

In the instructions for the Amazing Still there are various methods at the bottom for making the device more efficient, and to make a stronger spirit. I noticed in the extra insulation method, it uses 2 lids. However, in the standard simple method I don't see a lid mentioned for the 10L bucket, do you use one in the simple method? Is it worth insulating the inside bucket? What else can be done to increase the efficiency and the potency of the final product?

Thanks in advance!
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#2 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2005 2:14:53 PM(UTC)
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Jonny Digital, No! you don't need two lids with the simple method, just the one modified lid that sits UNDER the inside bucket ,slows down the re-evaporation of the alcohol back into the primary ,,inside, bucket,! Yes it is worth the seemingly troublesome task of insulating the system, but it does seem to help shorten the distilation process somewhat and gives you a higher proof earlier on. Just be extra careful that your internal ,aquarium, heater is shut down long enough to cool sufficiently to avoid burning it out before opening the system. Even if you do however, they will sometimes burn out anyway, but this is such a simple system that it makes it worth the trouble.
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#3 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2005 2:33:02 PM(UTC)
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Spiritmaker,
Thank you for the response. I would love the make a stronger spirit, however the time in the instructions says that it will take 6 days instead of 3 to make the 3 liters of spirit. I hope to have some ready for New Years, so if this is the case I will make the simple setup for the first batch.

Any insight on that? The simple method seems to do 1L every 24 hours, and the way the instructions make it sound the modified one will only do .5L every 24 hours.

Well, please let me know UserPostedImage
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#4 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2005 3:08:41 PM(UTC)
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Jonny Digital, You are welcome. I appreciate your reply too ,sometimes I wonder if anybody still reads these postings! As to your New Years Bash, even if you just started your 'wash' tonight, if you use something like 'Prestige Vodka Yeast' ,from Brewhaus, you will likely be able to finish the ferment AND distill enough with your 'simple version' to enjoy a good ,more than just a 'warm glow', holiday. Course, if you aim to share it with a whole lots of folks, then ya might wanna put up a coupla batches and run two stills at th same time. Ya know, when ya consider just how cheap this thing is to build, thats not a bad idea!
So get on-line now an order some yeast. I just finished putting up a 5-gallon bucket of 'prestige Vodka' this evening but I don't think I can promise to save you a drink though. This usually makes some pretty good stuff and you can still add other flavors if you want to. But I find that if you simply run your product through a common 'Brita' water filter syslem ,available at Walmart for about $20.00,, it will make a vodka loke beverage that will mix nicely with ginger ale or anything else you want, and with no off flavors to spoil it! So enjoy th fruits of yer labor mate, ya deserve em!
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#5 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2005 4:10:06 PM(UTC)
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Spiritmaker,
I ordered Turbo Pure 48 the other day, along with the rest of the items I needed. I have also a tube and funnel, which I will fill with prestige activated stone carbon ,which I ordered at the same time,. I also have a Brita pitcher and several filters that I could use if needed.

The simple version isn't much easier to make than the modified one, I just wonder if the instructions were accurate when they said that it will take 6 days to make 3 liters. If this is the case, I will wait and modify it after the first batch. If it works at the same speed or faster than the simple version, I will certainly modify it before the first batch.

Thanks again!
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:54:57 AM(UTC)
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Hey Jonny, I think I'd wait then. You know what yer gonna get this way an you can always make those mods after the holidays an ya sobered up! ,jis kiddin, I think you will be more than satisfied with your choice of yeast an there's certainly nothing wrong with your home-made filter system either. So as I said before, enjoy th fruits of yer labor ,an mebbie share a little too, huh?
Have a great day jonny
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:07:00 AM(UTC)
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I see folks frequently talk about Vodka yeast for their sugar mash. When I read the information about this yeast, my understanding is that it is especially formulated for an all grain vodka. Should sugar mash us a different yeast in that case? Sure it will work, so will bakers yeast but what is optimum?
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:10:11 AM(UTC)
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Hey Whitewater. Thanks for bringing up this question. I read the same thing right on the package and while 'Prestige Vodka Yeast' is formulated for an all grain wash, the same package says that it is especially good for making a 14.5%abv wash in just 7 days from a pure sugar/water wash. You can find this at 'Home Distillation Supplies from Brewhaus of America' website. Just type in the name and do a search and you will see what I mean. They also have a good selection of some other really good yeast too. Whatever ya need, you can probably find it here! I know, I know, you may think I work for Brewhaus or something, but I don't! In fact, the ONLY connection I have with them is, I have always been satisfied with their products and service. I agree that bakers yeast will also make some alcohol, but 14.5%? I don't think so!
For me, this makes a very good optimun vodka and it is VERY clean with virtually NO OFF TASTES. So try one packet and judge for yourself. I think you will agree, it's that good.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:33:00 AM(UTC)
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Spiritmaker, I too have been almost alway please with Bruhaus. I think they are a great company and although on a rare occation I have not been perfectly please with a product from them I have 100% confidence in the company. I have been very pleased with the Black Lable yeast. Have you tried it?
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:40:29 PM(UTC)
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Whitewater: Not yet but if you say it's good then I'll try it too. Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained huh? I have been introduced to some great new things by being broad minded, so here goes. I'll let ya know when an how things turn out. Right now I'm waiting for an order of 'Pot Yeast' to arrive from Brewhaus ,I'm gonna make sum Brandy, with which I'll make wine, then didstil it.
Thanks for your comments,
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#11 Posted : Friday, December 16, 2005 3:06:11 AM(UTC)
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Spiritmaker, I have made a lot e of brandies wit hthe Pot Ditsillers Yeast-good product. I have done elderberry, blackberry, strawberry, peach, and various varieties of grape. When I make a port wine I always use a brandy from the same type of fruit as I am making port. My strawberry port got a silver medal at the California State Fair and theblack berry got a bronze medal. Eu-de-vei is excellent using the pot distillers yeast too.
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#12 Posted : Friday, December 16, 2005 12:29:58 PM(UTC)
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Hey Whitewater, i'm impressed. I'm outa my league here but then I'm rubbing elbows with some real pros and where else can I do that and enjoy the same interests at th same time? And I'm still fairly new at this, that's why I ask for advice! It's nice to draw on the experience of people like you, Grayson, THM, Doc, LCB ,thats short for Louisana Country Boy ,Whoee, that's a mouthful,, and a host of others. Since I have been reading this forum I have learned more than just about alcohol and distiling. In just a few months I have progressed from a jar filled with grape juice and a toy baloon to asking some really dumb questions, but still I get more helpful answers than I ever expected. Like most folks here, I started with making a little wine, then I got interested in beer but then I stumbled onto this forum and whoa, here i is! This is a really neat hobby and th rewards are great too!
Thanks to all of you,
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#13 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:33:00 AM(UTC)
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[Spirtimaker, In what area do you live?
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#14 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:53:15 PM(UTC)
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The deep South! Where they still fly the Stars and Bars an th only grapes we can grow here are Muscadine grapes, which leaves me kinda short on local resources.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:21:00 PM(UTC)
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Spiritmaker, I get down to South Carolina once a year, to see the in-laws. As for myself I am in California. Good luck on grapes.
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#16 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2005 7:11:46 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the well wishes Whitewater, I can still make a pretty good, albeit a rather 'fruity' wine from muscadine grapes though, and this makes a darn good brandy too! I envy anyone who can afford to live ANYWHERE in California! I've only seen the northern part, but man, what beautiful counrty that is! I kinda 'hole up' back in th ole Okeefanokee swamp ,or where it drains out, lotsa 'skeeters', 'gators' an 'possums', a little south of South Carolina by a hundred or so miles. Hope y'all get the opportunity to come East for th holidays, if'n ya do, I hope ya have a great time.
Thanks again,
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#17 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2005 2:47:57 PM(UTC)
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Hello again Whitewater. I forgot to ask you, about how long do you have to wait for the 'Pot-Distillers' yeast to finish off a batch of wine? Normally, it takes several months for a good wine yeast ,like Lalvin for example, to finish fermenting all the sugars. Is the 'Pot' like that too, or more like the 'Turbos' that finish much quicker? I tried a turbo on a wine awhile back and was somewhat disappointed! It did finish quicker, but it had a funky taste that I didn't much care for. I was just wondering what your experience has been? I can wait if the results gained from a fast ferment also result in a poorer quality product. I'd druther quality anytime and I suspect that the primary advantage is in the higher abv produced by the Pot yeast, right?
Thanks,
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#18 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2005 4:05:00 PM(UTC)
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We actually developed a method for dramatically increasing the speed of fermentation to take a 4-week wine kit down to 7 days, with a marked improvement in fruitiness and bouquet. The Pot Distiller's Turbo is not what I would use for this particular purpose, but more importantly, if you are working with full fruit or pure juice, then this will require an extended aging period after fermentation, which actually will be entirely independent of fermentation time.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:34:32 AM(UTC)
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Thank you Rick, could you please tell me a little more about this improved wine yeast? As I have mentioned before, i like brandy and so I wonder if this could be the answer to a steady supply of my favorite nector? What is it labeled as, where on your site do I find it, how much, etc. etc.? Often I am forced to use juice from concentrate, maybe that's one reason I aquired a taste for brandy ,an improvement over cheap wine,? I do have access to a small vinyard but it only produces muscadine grapes and that only in the fall of the year.
Thanks again,
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:49:25 AM(UTC)
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I recently saw plans for a 'spiral' still from sweden. It is actually a variation of an amazing type still using a plastic pail and submersible heater, but adds a copper column and condensor coil. That opens up a whole new realm of possibilities for stronger hooch. It is listed under 'Build a Spiral Still' at the following website.
http://distillers.tastylime.net/library/Listings2.htm#Books%20Listings
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