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Offline curtsat15  
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:10:21 PM(UTC)
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Hey guys, I've seen a couple posts about adapting water tank heater elements to a boiler, but what about actually just using a hot water heater? To me it's a no-brainer, or am I missing something?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:47:36 PM(UTC)
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One thing to consider is that you can not use the hot water heater thermostat. it is not a constantly on variable device. Thats an easy fix though.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:33:51 AM(UTC)
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How does one go about that? I am no electronics genius, but I am handy with tools.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 3:09:48 AM(UTC)
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run the plug wire directly to the heater element and use a router speed control to varry the wattage

most hot water heaters are 220 volts unless they are in mobile homes. Check the element itself to see the voltage it is rated at. If you are using a 120 volt supply then tou need a 120 volt rated element. for 220 volts a 220 volt element is needed.
applying 120 volts to a 220 volt element will only give 25% of its rated wattage. Be sure your router speed control is rated for more current than you will draw at maximum. be sure you router speed control is rated for the proper voltage. most folks use 110 volt supply and a 110 volt router speed control
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#5 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 12:48:09 AM(UTC)
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"What is the container of a water heater made of??? I think its cast metal of some sort but that dosent mean I'm saying it wont work. Just a thought....I know we drink the water from it but we dont cook it if you see what I'm saying. I bet it would work as a stripper and then use something else as a spirit run unit. Givera go and let us know if it works.
I bet a 10-15 gallon one with double elements can be modified to use as a stripper. All that needs to be done is to cap the pressure valve hole and one of the water inlet or outlet holes and add a tower which should be pretty simple and the addition of electricity should be really easy too. You will of course need some way to control heat I.E. RSC'er. I bet it could work."
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#6 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 1:54:46 AM(UTC)
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I think that a dual element heater has the elements too far apart for versatility.
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#7 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 2:15:52 AM(UTC)
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It was just a thought for further down the road. Keeping my eyes open for one though. So far only found plastic ans glass lined ones. Don't think they would work so well. My thought is to use it for a pot still, as I like to keep the flavor in my hooch. May go to reflux further down the road, but that's basically a tower change.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:53:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: curtsat15 Go to Quoted Post
Hey guys, I've seen a couple posts about adapting water tank heater elements to a boiler, but what about actually just using a hot water heater? To me it's a no-brainer, or am I missing something?


Newbie here but thought I'd compliment your great conceptual idea. I think (IMHO only) that this idea merits some research and someone actually doing it. A hot water heater is really set-up for safely using gas (propane also) produced heat INDOORS. That is, it is vented to the outdoors, has a drain hole built in, has the water inlet/outlet holes on top which can be used for temperature port a well as a means to introduce water directly inside without any mess and finally, has the electrode heating element port with available a myriad of wattages readily available. It really does seem like a no brainer. The majority of hot water heaters are glass lined thus the cleaning issues would be minimized however, the only thing I can see that needs to be addressed (beides controlling the electrode) is cleaning which has to factor size, weight and access limitations, but all these things could be worked out. Perhaps a mobile home or RV type would be better in that they are much smaller and many (the RV ones) are already set-up to operate on electricity (120 V) or propane. GREAT IDEA; got me thinkin'... THANKS
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#9 Posted : Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:18:06 AM(UTC)
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The heat control is an on off device-- you MUST have a variable but constant heat source--thats why folks modify hotplates and use a Router Speed Control.

You should spend some time searching the tech section.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:22:15 AM(UTC)
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"Here is a post by JOHNB that tells the story quite well

The thermostat on your hotplate((( OR HOT WATER HEATER))) is most likely just a switch, not a power controller. So it literally switches power on and off based on the temperature surrounding the switch. All of that switching is going to affect the vaporization rate in your boiler.

If you're running a pot still it may not be a huge issue. If you're running a column it will cause the temperature in your column to move all over the place -- which is the opposite of what you want when you're trying to reach a steady state during reflux.

So if it prevents you from reaching equilibrium, refluxing and/or getting good separation (due to all of the temperature instability), then yes, bypassing the thermostat and using a RSC can lead to a better product."
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#11 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:45:20 PM(UTC)
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I am new to the forum but not new to distilling.....I used a 10 gallon water heater for stripping several years ago.......only one element at the bottom....very simple to bypass the t-stat....I replaced it with a SS beer keg with two water heater elements at the bottom..(used 220 volt 3500 W elements at 110 volts)..I controlled it with a Staco Variable transformer......just remember the elements need to be submerged completely from start to finish!!
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