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Offline BamaShineRTR  
#1 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 10:29:31 AM(UTC)
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Do any of you use this as a mash...sweetfeed grain only....and do you like it or do you have a better recipe for a 6 gallon still. thanky
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#2 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 12:44:58 PM(UTC)
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So a search for the recipe called --Sweetfeed likker --and or -- Uncle Jesse's Simple Sour Mash (UJSSM) Follow the recipe and you can use the feed you have with a few other items.
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#3 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 2:29:13 PM(UTC)
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Hey, BamaShineRTR My last run was sweetfeed. I had between 10-14 lbs of sweetfeed added 10lbs of sugar and 2 handfuls of cracked corn, brought it to 155F with 5 gallons of water for about an hour or so. After I left app half of the feed and wash into the fermenter and the other half I threw out drained. I added Alcotec 48 Super Yeast and it formented for a total of 4 days , ran it through a series of filters to clean out the solids and ran it in my still. First quart came out at 140 pf. Some good shine. I hope this helps ya some.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 4:00:58 AM(UTC)
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Thank ya very much.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:04:49 AM(UTC)
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Hey, BamaShineRTR My last run was sweetfeed. I had between 10-14 lbs of sweetfeed added 10lbs of sugar and 2 handfuls of cracked corn, brought it to 155F with 5 gallons of water for about an hour or so. After I left app half of the feed and wash into the fermenter and the other half I threw out drained. I added Alcotec 48 Super Yeast and it formented for a total of 4 days , ran it through a series of filters to clean out the solids and ran it in my still. First quart came out at 140 pf. Some good shine. I hope this helps ya some.


I'm wondering what the heating to 155 for 1 hour did. Also please tell me what made you choose 155F? :)"
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:00:30 AM(UTC)
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My first time trying to make it, i went by a recipe that had me heat the mash and stirring at 150 for one hour ...then let sit till temp got down to 90 degrees, then seperate the solids from the liquid. Then add yeast. let sit for 5 days....that batch got to 105..........but now im boiling the water then pour the boiling water over my grain,,,,,,let it sit for 90 minutes then cool it down to 90 degrees and add yeast then let it sit for 5 to 7 days.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:57:58 AM(UTC)
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I'm wondering what the heating to 155 for 1 hour did. Also please tell me what made you choose 155F? :)


Perhaps I can try to answer. And the only reason I can answer is because I Brew beer using all grains and one of the steps is to mash at 157f for about an hour to bring out the good qualities of your grain. At certain temperatures grains release certain enzymes. 145-158 F (63-70C) release the alpha and Beta enzymes so at 158F your grain will pruduce Dextrins and fermentable sugars in about 1/2 hr. It gets alot deeper then this and I can only grasp a small bit of it but its science at work and proven over time. I pulled this out of the Advanced Homebrewing for the Practicle Homebrewer by Charlie Papazian.

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#8 Posted : Sunday, January 06, 2013 3:22:32 PM(UTC)
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I'm wondering what the heating to 155 for 1 hour did. Also please tell me what made you choose 155F? :)


Sorry for the delayed response but AAIndigo nailed it. A slow steady heat yeilds much better results at releasing the natural sugar from the grains. I've been using this receipe ever since I started shining and it's never failed at producing great results. When you bring your mash to a boil your scorching your grains which will reduce your sugar release. I only do this becuase it is proven facts not myth. Hope that answers your question."
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:41:40 PM(UTC)
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Perhaps I can try to answer. And the only reason I can answer is because I Brew beer using all grains and one of the steps is to mash at 157f for about an hour to bring out the good qualities of your grain. At certain temperatures grains release certain enzymes. 145-158 F (63-70C) release the alpha and Beta enzymes so at 158F your grain will pruduce Dextrins and fermentable sugars in about 1/2 hr. It gets alot deeper then this and I can only grasp a small bit of it but its science at work and proven over time. I pulled this out of the Advanced Homebrewing for the Practicle Homebrewer by Charlie Papazian.

AA


All that is true indeed, but if we are adding 10 lbs of sugar does the little bit of fermentable sugar that comes from the grain really make a difference? Now with that said, I do understand the mashing idea and I'm not knocking you for doing it but I would bet what we get from this process in this application is the grainy flavor for our mash and being so presice on the temps is really unnecessary.
If this were a beer for bottling after fermentation and not for distillation all that would certainly be of value in the process of making that mash. I like seeing that someone is mashing grain the right way cause in the past I've read that folks have boiled their grain for an hour or so and then added 10lbs of sugar, thinking thats the correct way to mash, because they say ---well it tasted really grainy and I got lots of likker so it must be right. You bet 10 lbs of sugar will make lots of likker. And if you boil all that grain it will make a grainy flovored soup for your mash. Anyway happy stillin...."
Offline John Barleycorn  
#10 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:41:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: caros527486 Go to Quoted Post
I only do this becuase it is proven facts not myth.
What are the proven facts that you are referring to?
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:26:49 AM(UTC)
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sweet feed grain mix does not contain any malt-- so there are no enzymes to release-- ulike a beer bill which has part of the grain used being a the malt which is needed to convert the starch-- your sugar doesnt need enzyme and the sweet grain mix is merely for some flavor.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:21:08 AM(UTC)
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I put 4" of sweetfeed grains in a 6 gallon bucket, pour hot water on it and cover to sit for 90 minutes. While that sits I put 7 pounds of sugar in a large pot, add two gallons of water a table spoon of lemon juice and heat til the sugar is completely dissolved. After that I poor into the bucket. I then fill to within 2 inches of the top of the bucket with cold water. This usually brings the temp down to around a 100 degrees. I then add two tablespoons of distillers yeast. Cover and let sit for a week to 10 days. I then siphon off the liquid into another bucket and then let that sit for two days. Once the liquid is siphoned off the grains, I add enough water to cover the grain to keep the yeast alive. After two days I then siphon off the liquid into the boiler leaving the lees in the bottom of the bucket.

Run it at a semi slow speed and it'll usually start out at 150 proof and drop fairly steady from there. I run it so the stream is pencil lead sized.

Once the run is done take two gallons of backset, add 7 lbs of sugar to it and add it to the grains left in the bucket, make sure it has cooled to 98 degrees or less first though, you don't want to kill the yeast still in the bucket, fill the remainder of the bucket with cool water. Let it ferment out for a week and run it. This is sweetfeed sourmash and it'll usually start out at around 160 and drop fairly quickly to 150 proof. (out of a pot still that is, not sure how this would be out of a reflux.).

Rinse and repeat, scraping off the spent grains and adding new grains each time after the first sourmash run, I usually take about one to two inches of the old grains off the top and add new. And lately I've been replacing the spent grains with cracked corn and malted barley.

Its not a bad recipe and you can tweak it to make it what you want. In the end it makes a drinkable spirit that has a little sweetness to it and isn't overly "hot". Its a real good start to an apple-pie recipe.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:47:46 AM(UTC)
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"Hi All,

Originally Posted by: heeler Go to Quoted Post
All that is true indeed, but if we are adding 10 lbs of sugar does the little bit of fermentable sugar that comes from the grain really make a difference? Now with that said, I do understand the mashing idea and I'm not knocking you for doing it but I would bet what we get from this process in this application is the grainy flavor for our mash and being so presice on the temps is really unnecessary.

I wanted to follow up on this for two reasons. First, I agree with heeler and crabby. But more important, this is where it's easy to make assumptions that are no longer valid. This is what I mean ...

One of the issues with some recipes is that they're long on how but not so long on why. There's an old story about a young newlywed that would cut the ends off of her beef before cooking. The explanation handed down from her mother was ""it provides better seering to retain the juices and besides that's how my mother and grandmother always did it."" This sounded strange to the young husband, so when he had the chance he asked his wife's great grandmother about the matter. She simply stated, ""I cut off the ends so it would fit in my pot.""

If it were possible to trace this recipe all the way back to its origins, it wouldn't shock me if it called for malted corn (and maybe a touch of molasses) in which case the temps would matter. But there's no malt in this recipe so we're not mashing (crabby's point). Regardless, we're creatures of habbit -- if your process works for you, stick with it. Just be careful about the ""why"" -- some recipes leave that part out -- they might assume we're all using the same size pots when we cook our beef! Wink

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Offline plzrckr92566  
#14 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 2:16:58 PM(UTC)
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"I am wanting to make a sweet feed whisky but am still somewhat of a novice. I plan on using sweet feed as mentioned but in place of some of the sugar I want to add 2# of a light malt syrup I already have as well as some un-sulphured Molasses. I plan on ending up with about 8-9 gallons of mashed wash. How many pounds of sweet feed would you recommend? I am using a whisky yeast wit AG that will produce up to 12% abv. This whisky I am also wanting to use a limestone water as Does the distilleries in Kentucky for a smoother finish BUT have heard yeast prefers an acidic PH of around 5.0 give or take. So do I ferment with a low PH then dilute the final run with the limestone water or what?
My Idea for making this water is to use true limestone that has been rinsed and allowing it to soak for a period of time or boil it to extract the wanted minerals. Any thoughts or suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!"
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