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Offline scotty  
#81 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 4:13:06 AM(UTC)
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"do you have a volt ohm meter. you may not have the 220 wired correctly. what are you using for a breaker and are both breakers exactly next to one inother in the breaker box??? you could have both of your 110 lines hooked to the same side of the panel box. in order to ger 220. the breakers must be on the same physical side of the panel and be right next to each other

i forgot what size element you are using . the figures say 4800 watt element----hmmm maybe it is the meter---Help john!!!!!"
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#82 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 4:58:06 AM(UTC)
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the breaker is a double breaker they only move together and I tested the outlet with my volt/ohm meter and am getting 220. Since it is only hooked up to the 1 hot I don't see how it can work on 220. I don't think it would be a good idea to hook both 110 wires up to the one wire on the meter, might get some sparks... maybe it's for other country's where they have 220 on one leg? ---- My element is a 5500w but I have it on a 60'-70' 10/3 wire extension cord, could that be why I am only getting 21.9 amps?
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#83 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 6:01:59 AM(UTC)
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if you have 220 then you have 220-- the 2 meter wires must be hooked 1 to each 110 line-- the 110 lines are 180 out of phase-- i thought you said tht you had originally hooked the meter wires one to each leg. the meter wires must be hooked up the same way your vom was hooked up to test for 220. are we out of sink here/ i'm sorry if i am missing the picture capt.
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#84 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:50:25 AM(UTC)
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if you have 220 then you have 220-- the 2 meter wires must be hooked 1 to each 110 line-- the 110 lines are 180 out of phase-- i thought you said tht you had originally hooked the meter wires one to each leg. the meter wires must be hooked up the same way your vom was hooked up to test for 220. are we out of sink here/ i'm sorry if i am missing the picture capt.


OK!, You convinced me to to go out to the shop, take the cover off and hook it back up the way i had it originally. I must of been "out of sink" and " missing the picture" or the wire I moved wasn't making contact in the wire nut the first time because just like that (KA-POW!!!) 220v it works.BigGrin... Thanks for all your help on this project, It's looking tike it's going to work like we hoped...

what do you think about the 5500w only showing 22 amps? think it could be the long cord?
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#85 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 8:53:41 AM(UTC)
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what size is the wire in the cord?? it should show about 25 amps. anything less than #10 may be too light.
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#86 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 9:30:58 AM(UTC)
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Yes, It's #10
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#87 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 10:58:27 AM(UTC)
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"is it an extension cord and how long is the run --is it a recepticle that is wired directly to the breaker panel. describe it exactly please


PS i stumbled across a perfect box for the control-- it even has a place to mount a fan. it is on one of my shelves. soo no $$$$$"
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#88 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:57:25 PM(UTC)
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It's wired this way, the power comes from the pole in front of my house to a main /meter panel w/just the main 100a breaker,then goes to the breaker/sub panel which is another 35' to 40' to the back of the house, all the house breakers are there. I don't know the size of that wire but it's the big wire that runs the whole house. I figure it's another 12' of wire to the 220v plug from that breaker panel. It looks like #10 wire to the plug from the panel. Then the extension cord that I made up from #10/3 wire is about 60' long and I have another 10' of #10/3 wire for the cord on the box that feeds it. Hope you can follow this if not just ask what you need, also I have another 10' of #10/3 wire from the box to the element...
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#89 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 8:07:34 PM(UTC)
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PS i stumbled across a perfect box for the control-- it even has a place to mount a fan. it is on one of my shelves. soo no $$$$



Heck Yah, That's what I'm talking about, no $$$... and a place to mount everything."
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#90 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:06:03 AM(UTC)
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"Stand back jack----- i gad a thought last night. Quite an unusual experience so lets see if itsorth anything. I'm guessing that the 2 wires are too close to one another. normally this means nothing but if the doughnut on one wire is picking up some magnetic fields from the other wire they may be partially cancelling out the doughnuts sensing. I say this may be possible because the wires are running 180 degrees out ofphase. -- or te ssvr limits the current in some way or the meter is broken--- one test woud be to bypass the ssvr and se what the current is..
ill stick with the doughnut being too close to the other wire.

Thats my best jack. good luck"
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#91 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:03:42 AM(UTC)
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Scotty, I think it's all working correctly or at least close enough if I'm figuring it out right. Using your figuring on "variations in ohms law and power formulas " I have a 5500w element and am showing 244v and divide 5500/244= 22.5 and I am getting 22.2 on the meter...

Here it is on zero and 244v

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and here it's on full at 22.2a

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Does that seem about right?.... I also did try to move the doughnut around and it makes no difference the amps don't change... But the wiring does get a little busy in there...

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#92 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:14:11 AM(UTC)
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"you did the calculations and all seems ok-- thats what the formulas are for-- forget what i thought about the proximity of wires-- all seems correct-- :0

BTW real nice job.
Another note Jack. You have shown us a way to eliminate the rsc and vary the current for both 110 and 220 volt applications. and the cost is good also.

Ifyou care to and have the time, please make a thread showing the build and test of this device so i can make a sticky out of it-- we will allow questions to be asked in the sticky so our group can work together on building them. Put it in the tech section and think of a name perhaps "" MY altarnative to a router speed control."" ill sticky it and you will be able to modify the original post because it is yours."
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#93 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:46:11 PM(UTC)
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BTW real nice job.
Another note Jack. You have shown us a way to eliminate the rsc and vary the current for both 110 and 220 volt applications. and the cost is good also.

Ifyou care to and have the time, please make a thread showing the build and test of this device so i can make a sticky out of it-- we will allow questions to be asked in the sticky so our group can work together on building them. Put it in the tech section and think of a name perhaps " MY altarnative to a router speed control." ill sticky it and you will be able to modify the original post because it is yours.



Scotty, Thanks for the complements, I'm glad it works like it does and it really isn't that hard to put together and I,m glad you found the parts and started this thread that planted the seed in my head to do it. I got a lot of info from you and others on this and another forum. I want to do the build thread but I'm really busy the next 2 days, then I can get to it...
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#94 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:55:58 PM(UTC)
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who is in a hurry--not me- btw i'm still waiting for the heat sink--days--weeks whatever. i think it will be nice if you find the time.
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#95 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:57:15 AM(UTC)
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"Captain. i finally got the heat sink and should do the 120 volt test soon. I dont forsee any trouble since you had success with your 240 volt setup.
i have a programing my pid problen to address first."
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#96 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:40:39 AM(UTC)
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guess what mine doesnt work-- i asumed i wired something wrong again but not so. iumped it out and everything else worked. ill look a couple of more times but then ill get back to other projects--
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#97 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:23:45 PM(UTC)
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I didn't try it without a ground to the ssvr where the heat sink mounts but I read on the H.D. forum if you don't ground it then it won't work rite... just a thought...
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#98 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:45:04 AM(UTC)
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ground where Jack??
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#99 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:47:06 AM(UTC)
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make up a wire with a u shaped terminal on one end and add it to one of the screws where the ssvr mounts to the heat sink and tie the other end to the grounds. You can see it in the pic showing the wiring it's a green wire with a red colored terminal...

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#100 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:54:06 AM(UTC)
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ok ill do it but it makes no electrical sense to me--thanks for the reply Lack
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