"I was raised shooting. I have taught my wife and sons to shoot not only my rifles but my pistols. I no longer hunt as I have lost the taste for it, but I do enjoy being outside, and nothing beats a day running the dogs on a rabbit. I wish we had the beagles and the acres, man, let me tell you back then, that was a great day, and I miss it.

I do not stock the fashionable AR15's with their useless .223 cal bullets. People love those gas tube nightmares because of their military fantasies, wanna-be commandos... A .22 is only good for varmints or target practice, and that's what a .223 is, just a plinking round. Meant for maiming skinny short Asian boys on the battlefield. Cleaning that gas tube is a retard's idea of fun. Get a piston driven weapon that you can depend on.

My concealed carries are .45 cal. I prefer the Smith and Wesson XD-45 and XDS-45. My wife hates them because they are too big for her soft, petite, delicate hands, but she can hit the target. For my rifles, I prefer a Smith and Wesson M1A or Socom II that fires a .308 (a brutal 7.62 round). I can legally hunt deer with it and shoot thru a truck engine. It's a dragon slayer. Come get me black helicopters....

Everyone I know has a concealed carry, and I live out in the suburbs of Raleigh, NC. I often leave my doors unlocked in the daytime because my neighbor is retired mil-intel spec forces and is always watching whatever comes down the block. I've seen him chase off bikers and Jehova Witnesses. I've seen him chase off pit bulls in his bath robe. He drinks half the liquor I make, and I am glad he likes it.

My guns are locked up. The wife and kids know how to get to them if they need to. They also know better than to show off. We don't talk about what we have and where they are.

Emperor Obama may think he can create law with executive order in an age when congress has not made a budget in over a decade. I also don't think that most people have no idea how ready some of us are. When the shit hits the fan, me and mine are prepared, and we won't be saving useless idiot liberal retards, not matter what they post about us on facebook or twitter. The cops are not going to save you, in fact, they will probably not even show up.

New gun laws aren't going to do anything to stop the massacres. Too many over indulged idiots are being prescribed psychotropics by head-shrinkers. They have side effects of homicidal and suicidal ideation. When they start their killing, they say it's like they are numb, that it's happening and they feel nothing, like it's not real. Killing is supposed to feel like something, something not good and damn bad as hell. That's why soldiers get PTSD. Retards on drugs think they are in a video game.

Until they punish the doctors and the pharma companies for causing these massacres, we'll keep having them. Disarmed people are victims in waiting. Criminals know this, and they are coming. If you run the sheepdogs off, there won't be anyone watching the sheep.

Sleep well."

"Why the 2nd Amendment

Walter E. Williams
Jan 02, 2013

Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings, said: ""The British are not coming. ... We don't need all these guns to kill people."" Lewis' vision, shared by many, represents a gross ignorance of why the framers of the Constitution gave us the Second Amendment. How about a few quotes from the period and you decide whether our Founding Fathers harbored a fear of foreign tyrants.

Alexander Hamilton: ""The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed,"" adding later, ""If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government."" By the way, Hamilton is referring to what institution when he says ""the representatives of the people""?

James Madison: ""(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.""

Thomas Jefferson: ""What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.""

George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which inspired our Constitution's Bill of Rights, said, ""To disarm the people -- that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.""

Rep. John Lewis and like-minded people might dismiss these thoughts by saying the founders were racist anyway. Here's a more recent quote from a card-carrying liberal, the late Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey: ""Certainly, one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. ... The right of the citizen to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."" I have many other Second Amendment references at http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes.html
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How about a couple of quotations with which Rep. Lewis and others might agree? ""Armas para que?"" (translated: ""Guns, for what?"") by Fidel Castro. There's a more famous one: ""The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."" That was Adolf Hitler.

Here's the gun grabbers' slippery-slope agenda, laid out by Nelson T. Shields, founder of Handgun Control Inc.: ""We're going to have to take this one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. ... Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. ... The final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition -- except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal"" (The New Yorker, July 1976).

There have been people who've ridiculed the protections afforded by the Second Amendment, asking what chance would citizens have against the military might of the U.S. government. Military might isn't always the deciding factor. Our 1776 War of Independence was against the mightiest nation on the face of the earth -- Great Britain. In Syria, the rebels are making life uncomfortable for the much-better-equipped Syrian regime. Today's Americans are vastly better-armed than our founders, Warsaw Ghetto Jews and Syrian rebels.

There are about 300 million privately held firearms owned by Americans. That's nothing to sneeze at. And notice that the people who support gun control are the very people who want to control and dictate our lives.

Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com
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No, they get it because they go thru hell. Thank you for letting me rant and rave, I needed to vent.

Invincible Ignorance
(Article by Thomas Sowell)

Must every tragic mass shooting bring out the shrill ignorance of "gun control" advocates?

The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available.

If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive.

Places and times with the strongest gun control laws have often been places and times with high murder rates. Washington, D.C., is a classic example, but just one among many.

When it comes to the rate of gun ownership, that is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

The few counter-examples offered by gun control zealots do not stand up under scrutiny. Perhaps their strongest talking point is that Britain has stronger gun control laws than the United States and lower murder rates.

But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries"” and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time.

In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

Neither guns nor gun control was the reason for the difference in murder rates. People were the difference.

Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals.

In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s"” after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions"” there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

Gun control zealots' choice of Britain for comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States.

You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

Guns are not the problem. People are the problem"” including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts.

There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates.

Some years back, there was a professor whose advocacy of gun control led him to produce a "study" that became so discredited that he resigned from his university. This column predicted at the time that this discredited study would continue to be cited by gun control advocates. But I had no idea that this would happen the very next week in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/thomas-sowell/invincible-ignorance-12-12-18.html

Cyperlock, I usually don't correct other members post but here I'll make an exception.
The XD45 and XD45S are both imported from Croatia and sold by Springfield Armory, the M1A1 is also a product of Springfield Armory, not Smith&Wesson !
Also with proper reloads the .223 will cleanly kill deer size game, Speer makes a 70 grain simi spitzer that works wonderfully, also Sierra has a 65 gr gameking that I killed 2 deer within 3 minutes last season . Both will destroy the lungs of a whitetail and penetrate completely as long as heavy bone isn't struck.
But if you need to shoot them in the butt I highly recommend the 45/70 with heavy hard cast bullets launched around 1800 fps, I've put this to the test and with a BearTooth 425 gr Pile Driver JR it will penetrate length wise through the biggest deer and yes they give up the ghost post haste!
As for the 308 completely penetrating a car engine, not hardly, they will however penetrate 1/2" mild steel boiler plate, yep I tried that also.
Did you know that by slowing a bullet down you actually increase penetration,at least within limits ( Try standing in water and slapping the surface with your hand flat as hard and fast as you can, it will sting and create great resistance, then bring your hand down at a moderate speed and it will not sting and you will feel almost no resistance, bullets respond the same way.
Sorry I got a little carried away but guns are my favorite hobby!:)

I found an interesting article today and thought I would share it on this thread. It is only the tip of the iceburg as far as what is being done and talked about in the executive branch, judicial,and military. Hi ranking officers have been asked if they would obey orders to fire on Americans. Those answering no faced early retirement or re-assignment.

http://openchannel.nbcne...trikes-on-americans?lite

"Bushy,

Where did you see this? I couldn't find this in the article. I'm curious to know what it was, exactly, that they were being asked. Being ex-military, I can say with a high degree of confidence that very few of us, if any at all, would even think about using lethal force on an un-armed crowd, american or otherwise, even if the crowd was hostile. We would've all been reassigned. But that was a different time.

Over the past several years I've had a very uneasy feeling about a lot of things I see on the news, or read in papers, magazines and on the web. I couldn't quite put my finger on the origin of that feeling. But after much thought, things have become more clear in my mind. I simply no longer trust my government the way I used to. In fact, I'm beginning to fear my own government. I'm very skeptical about whether or not the folks in power will act based on founding principles, liberty and the welfare of our citizens ... or whether they will simply act based on the advancement of their power and similar self interests ... to subdue, pacify, and control.

Scary stuff. I really feel bad for the young folks ... they've never known what many of us older folks have known ... only the brave new world ... soma takes many forms, no?

--JB"

Here are a couple of links to historical actions taken by our government against the people. One has actual footage and the other is a remake of actual events.

tp://www.dailypaul.com/97314/federal-troops-attack-veterans-marching-in-dc

http://voxvocispublicus. homestead.com/Battle-of- Athens.html

After 9-11 the politicians used a media driven panic to dramatically change your rights for the worse forever. You can see the effect of some of those changes in the posts above. Now at the time they cleverly hid the changes here behind another media driven frenzy of coverage of our war in the gulf. It was a magicians trick called misdirection and it worked. Now they are trying the same thing by trying to change the gun laws by using a media driven frenzy over coverage of the mass murder of small children.
Maddawgs