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#1 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:54:52 PM(UTC)
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I've got about 3 US gallons of grape wine a buddy of mine made starting with way too much sugar. He started with about 12 pounds in 5 gallons of juice. It's about 3 months old and well done fermenting of course with a final gravity of 1.050. I do not know what the starting was as he did not measure. He is a novice and was blindly following a recipe for 'Hillbilly wine' that he got off the net somewhere. Taste is about what you would expect. Very sweet grape. There is no way I can drink this stuff as I prefer dry wines and this is VERY sweet for even a sweet one. What can I expect if I distill it?

First thing that comes to mind is foaming because of the high sugar. Should I be worried about that and what can I do to remedy it?

Any ideas on good alcohol percentage to shoot for using an adjustable reflux still ,Brewhaus Pro Series II 2' column, in order to retain some of the good grape flavor while still getting a pretty clean product? I'm looking for quality versus quantity.

Or is there something else I should do with this stuff aside from giving it away or pouring it down the drain?

Any help or comments greatly appreciated.

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#2 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:36:12 PM(UTC)
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I would measure it with a hydrometer to get the gravity, then dilute it with water or juice ,without added sugar, to a decent starting gravity for wine, add some yeast nutrient and pitch some fresh yeast to see if I could get it to start working again. It might work out all the extra sugar and finish drier as you would like. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't start up again. If not then distill it to get whatever ETOH you can from it.
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#3 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2006 3:48:27 AM(UTC)
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I have tried restarting it twice. Once with champagne yeast and once with Distiller's Turbo even. As I stated before, the gravity is 1.050 which is plenty far below a usual starting point of 1.090 or so for a wine. I have no idea why it won't restart. Then again I'm new at all this and have much to learn.
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#4 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2006 9:18:07 AM(UTC)
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AllenNC, do not worry about restarting the wine. I distilled a sweet fruit wine and it turned out wonderful. As to how much spirts you will get is hard to know. I would distill and collect the heads,small amount, then start collecting the middle. When the temperature starts rising start collecting the tails. Keep the heads and tails separate from the middle for this is the good stuff. If you want to make a port take some of the wine that is sweet about a gallon, put some of the finished spirits back in the wine and you will have wonderful port wine. My advise distill.
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#5 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2006 10:24:29 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Freebrew. I read earlier about Bayanus yeast a few threads up under a Hydrometer question and it seems that may would restart it but I would have to order some and wait on it. This wine doesn't really have enough potential to begin with to go through too much hassle for it as it is made from Concord grapes. I'll run it through the still sometime.

Should I use an anti-foaming agent like Brewhaus sells or with it only being 3 gallons in a 7 gallon boiler just run it as is?

Thanks

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#6 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2006 1:05:25 PM(UTC)
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When I did mine I did not use any anti-foaming agent and none of the must went into the column. I think you will be fine. Sometimes yeast energizer will help start a stuck must with the addition of a little yeast. But, if it was me I would distill and take what I get. Let me know how it turns out and if you make any port from this.
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#7 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2006 1:47:19 PM(UTC)
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I doubt I'll make any port. Not exactly my thing. I'll keep your suggestion in mind for a buddy that likes it though. I will post back to this thread with the results. It will be 2 - 3 weeks before I get the still. Right now I'm just making some mashes and bottling them so I'll have plenty of stuff to play with when it gets in. That wine is going in for sure I've decided.

I'm currently making a grape with raspberry wine that I'm anxious to taste. I'm fermenting it to complete dryness and will sweeten slightly if needed when done. I started it New Year's Eve and it's still bubbling at the moment.

Thanks again.
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#8 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2006 6:10:09 PM(UTC)
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I started this thread with a sweet mess and ended up with one. During my last post or the chit chat here at home afterwards I momentarily got distracted from the thick 36 lbs of sugar in very little water I had on the stove. It boiled since I wasn't watching the pot of course and boiled over. 1/8' thick syrup on top of the stove and 1' inside the burners. And that's after I caught it before it boiled over but was just a little too late getting to the control knob. What a mess! I just got finished cleaning it. I bet I'm not the first one here to do that. I may run my still in a back room on a hotplate with an exhaust fan, no flames, and a fire extinguisher handy but, from now on I'm melting the sugar outside on my propane burner were I can walk away from such a sticky mishap. Sheesh!
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#9 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:05:40 AM(UTC)
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When I make a sweet wine I always back sweeten with a simple syrup of 2 cups of sugar to one cup of water. Bring to a boil and let cool and then add potassium sorbate to all wines you are going to sweeten to keep re-fermentation from occuring in the bottles, and of course metabisulfite to keep oxidation from happening and kill any littles bugs that may be around. Not sure if you knew about the simple syrup so that is why I gave it to you. This formula can be used for larger batches just in the same portions. I always taste wines that I am sweeting and sweeten to taste. This has been very successful for me.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:37:00 AM(UTC)
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If your fermentation has already produced a reasonable amount of alcohol, which your reading would suggest, then simply adding more yeast will not usually work. Yeast builds its tolerance to alcohol as the percentage in the mash increases, but starts with very little tolerance. In order to restart a stuck fermentation you will usually need to make a starter. Once it is fermenting, you can pitch it into the stuck mash.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:45:50 AM(UTC)
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I know about it alright. That is basically what I boiled over last night, except it was 36 pounds of sugar in a stock pot to go into a wash.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:49:04 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Rick. I'm going to forget about this one and just distill it though. I think it would make a better spirit than a wine in the end. It was free and not of my efforts in the first place anyway.
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