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#1 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 6:13:47 AM(UTC)
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Could someone suggest an inexpensive yeast nutrient to use with Pasteur Champagne yeast? I've got about 12 packs and I just found out that what my WineSmith said about not needing nutrients was not true. The reason I know this is that 10lb of sugar and five gal. of water won't ferment.
I've read so much information that I'm about as mixed up as a turkey feather in a hurricane. I will probably go with the Turbo Pure 48 eventually but I sure would like to use up these packets. All I'm trying to get is a good neutral spirit for distilling. I'd also like advice on what to use for clearing up the wash so it won't be milky. If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Just keep it as simple as possible, this is my first time at trying anything like this.

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ps... I'm in the U.S.
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#2 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 7:03:00 AM(UTC)
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You can either use yeast nutrient or yeast energizer, both are sold by any wine supply shop on line or local. These are both designed to provide all the nutrients for yeast to start feeding and mutiplying. I would probaly use the yeast energizer for it has more nutrients and vitamins for the yeast. This should get you on track.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 7:59:00 AM(UTC)
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I will find some yeast energizer then. Thanks for the information. Any suggestions on how to clean up the wash? I read somewhere that you should never distill a cloudy wash ,product after fermenting,. If my terminology is wrong, please excuse me.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 11:27:24 AM(UTC)
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Tom, You can do severalk things to clear your preoduct before running it. Let it set until in clears or use a chemical to clear it. Brewhaus has a two part clearer that works great for taking the yeast, that is what it is, out before distilling, and any wine and beer shop will have a clearifier. They work, so does isinglass, natural stuff....try any of these, butr be patient, give the wash time....Jimbull
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#5 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 12:12:37 PM(UTC)
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The best product that I have used is Sparkoloid. You have to boil the sparkoloid in water then add the mixture hot and stir well.
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#6 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 12:37:00 PM(UTC)
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Thanks fellas.... I will give them a try. Just got my first shipment in from Rick at Brewhaus and I'm anxious to get started again. After three tries with no success, I'm was getting a little frustrated. I was given some bad information that I thought was gospel. I think y'all have gotten me on the right track now. Thanks!
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#7 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 2:39:00 PM(UTC)
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Talking about yeast; Would someone with knowledge of fermenting agave syrup tell me the best yeast and nutrients for this mash? I tried the Schnapps yeast but it is going real slowly. I am not concerned with high alcohol content, just good results.
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#8 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 2:47:00 PM(UTC)
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The Schnapps yeast would be your best bet for preserving flavors, followed by the Pot Distillers Turbo. Our Schnapps yeast is not a turbo, and is not intended to ferment quickly. With a rapid fermentation, you can lose varying amounts of flavor and aroma for a few reasons. Your fermentation may be slower with the yeast that you have used, but you will likely find that it will preserve the most flavor and aroma, ultimately producing the best finished product.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:07:46 AM(UTC)
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Agave syrup? Sounds like someone wants to make their own TO-KILL-YA, um...I mean tequila, sorry, been to Tijuana a few times in the Army. As far as nutrients I just crush up a Flintstone's vitamin and throw it in, works fine for me
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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:01:44 AM(UTC)
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Flintstone's? Uh, Patrick are ya kiddin or does this really work? I tried using crushed vitamin-B tabs as a supplement to fermenting a simple sugar/water wash, but I still hadda add something extra ,like tomato paste, to feed th hungry little buggers ,yeast,. Is there something in 'Flintstone's' ,for kids?, vitamins that also supplies the needed nutrients? I kinda like to know since I sometimes tend to overdo th tomato paste a little and this may help prevent that RED wash I ended up with! It fermented out and distilled fine, just looked kinda weird in the pot though.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:05:04 AM(UTC)
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Tomatoes huh? Hell you think that is bad, I use fertilizer!!! Good ole potasium nitrate, a vit pill and drink for good luck and we are on our way!!! All sorts of witches brews out there, what ever works....jimbull
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#12 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2006 4:24:11 AM(UTC)
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Indeed, whatever works! Making mash one day I decided to try one of the kid's Flintstones and by gosh it worked ! ended up with 25% more yeild than I ever had. I think as long as you're feeding the yeast something with alot of vitamins then you're good to go. I am still skeptical of all those things they sell like nutrient packets.
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#13 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2006 9:40:36 AM(UTC)
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Yeast nutrients works great, all they are is a high dose of B-vitamins. I will try the flinstone vitamins.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:15:33 AM(UTC)
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A nutrient that I have used for quite some time and works for me ,I have added it to Turbo also as a test for trying to get yields into the 20%, is the addition of a large can of concentrated orange juice and a small can of concentrated grape juice.

I have come to the conclusion that I can make my most effient ,cost/liter of 95%, by doing the following:

1, Start with 6.5gal glass carboy
2, 18lbs white sugar,7.5kg. 4lbs/$5

Walmart.
3, 16oz, .5kg can concentrated Orange
Juice. 8oz can concentrated grape
juice. These are the nutrient add-
itives for the yeast plus more
sugars in other forms. Cost $1.65
plus $.80. $2.5/tax.
4, Cake Brewers yeast, 2oz. Cost,$.50.
Three weeks in a closet with an electric blanket set on low; about 85 degrees. Turbo 48 costs $6.95 and my yield is about 17%.

FWIW, Jim
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#15 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:15:55 PM(UTC)
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Hey jimbull, I've heard of using fertilizer too, but it was something called 'T-Miracle-Grow' and I'm not sure just how this is added on in what amounts but, I'd be interested in knowing if you can tell me. In your case do you use the dry fertilizer like one would use in their garden or something different? And, how do you prepare/add it, and how much do you add ,say for a 20liter wash,? My tomato paste works pretty well but I'm allways looking for ways to improve my yield.
Thanks, Spiritmaker
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#16 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:54:36 PM(UTC)
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Spiritmaker, T miracle grow is miracle grow for tomatoes, which is high in nitrogen and acid. Potassium nitrate, like amonium nitrate is pure nitrogen except that it has a bit of potash in it, hence potessium nitrate. It is a dry granulated product and I use about a tablespoon in a 5 gal wash. BUT, I do not use it with the turbo's, because they do not need it. They, by claim, have all the nutrients that they need already in them. I only use the pN on stuck mashes or in the last case, on the distillers yeast which seemed to not take off. The pN and the vit pill sure kicked it off alright!!! Again, dry, tablespoon, into the mash, no prep, no worries!!!!! Jimbull
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#17 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 1:17:39 AM(UTC)
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Good Point JimBull...I never have played around with paste or vits or any of that ummm ''crap''..Thats why we purchase Turbo yeast isn't it..??? I mean in reality think about it for a minute what can you possibly add to a GOOD turbo yeast packet that isn't already in there..??? And for those that do add to it..What are you gaining..????Just a question for those additive type fellas...In my opinion it's kinda like trying to complicate the obvious...?????
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#18 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 2:23:11 AM(UTC)
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I do believe your right Doc.....
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