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Offline duster35  
#1 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 1:40:57 PM(UTC)
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Just run a 5 gal. batch of sweet feed wash. I had my proofing parrot catching my product. It started out at 170 proof for about 2 pints and worked down to 140 proof when I shut it down. I only collected 4 pint because was'nt sure of when to expect tails. This was my first time making any spirits and there is a lot to learn. Should I run it thru charcoal after I proof or would there be any need of it? Also should I have keep running while at 140 proof what is a good proof to shut down at?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:38:23 PM(UTC)
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Hi Duster, I'm thinking your running a po still and not reflux due to your proofing. For a pot still I'd say you had a pretty good run there. Though most folks will run it until they reach somewhere between 20 and 40 percent, 40 to 80 proof.

The tails have a distinct smell and not very pleasent. I've heard it described as wet cardboard, dirty gym socks, etc. I've found that the smell changes with different wash/mash's. The tails start coming over at different times with different wash's and different running temps. If you are running too hot your tails will smear across your hearts.

All in all I'd say you did well for your first time but stopped a little short of being done. When I'm running a pot still I'm running for flavor collecting no more than 250ml in a pint jar before changing to the next jar. That way I can seperate the heads, hearts, and tails. Then after a day or two go and give them the tase and smell test and blend them for the flavor I want.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:53:51 PM(UTC)
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Ran it as reflux, I probably shut it down to quick because the jars smelled the same at the end. I throwed about 200ml away at the begining.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:44:15 PM(UTC)
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Well Duster for a reflux run it sounds like you ran it a little high on the heat. For a good neutral you should only be collecting 2 to 4 drops a second.
Running the heat LOW and the condenser Cold is the first step in a good run for neutrals.

Yeah sounds like you did stop a little early. If you have'nt thrown out your wash you can start it up again and you won't even have to throw out the first 150ml again, the bad stuff is already gone.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:56:45 AM(UTC)
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Hi Duster,

I'm using the same and have found that running around 178 work well. Once you hit up near 190 degrees you will start to notice a burnt smell and you won't want to do that again. My water barely trickles out and it runs smooth with little adjustment for the first half. Then requires more attention with the heat on the last half. I've run only 8-10 so far.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:55:56 AM(UTC)
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I noticed the same on mine between 175 to 180 does the best. I didn't throw my wash away I'll try running it again.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:59:45 AM(UTC)
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i believe that a sweet feed wash is for a sort of whiskey and should be run in the pot configuration
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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:16:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: scotty Go to Quoted Post
i believe that a sweet feed wash is for a sort of whiskey and should be run in the pot configuration


Duster, this is a good point that I missed. From what I have learned from my reading is that the reflux should be used mainly for a sugar wash run. From what I understand if you have any grains that you want the flavor to be imparted into the output then it should be a pot still. Otherwise the reflux may remove all the extra cost grain flavoring you wanted.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:17:46 AM(UTC)
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What do I need to do to run in pot configuration? Also how often do I need to change my copper mesh?
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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:26:37 AM(UTC)
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Pot configuration is just running without the copper mesh.

I'm not sure on the frequency for copper mesh change. I simply try to rinse it off after each use and allow it to dry for the next run.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:41:20 AM(UTC)
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Just ran my first corn mash using the pot still setup. I agree with Bushy, sounds like a little to high for the heat. How long did it take to heat up? I'm using propane and it takes a bit to heat up slowly and then maintain at about 80 degrees C thru the whole run. It was a several hour project. I only got 70% using the pot still. I only use the reflux for neutral spirits and the first batch I ran with a sugar wash was crazy. First 6 pts were 93-90%. Didn't shut it down till about 50%. Total I got about 12 pts and they were yummy. Lol.
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#12 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 3:02:50 AM(UTC)
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duster,

Just use the top section of the column (the one with the liebig), don't bother with the other section. You should have at least one copper plug in the vapor path. Leave the column condenser tubes open (nothing connected), and run cooling water into the bottom of the liebig and out of the top. If you're using a hotplate, use an RSC (if you have one) so you can control your collection rate.

You can change/clean your copper when it starts getting black. I rinse mine in warm water after each use and let it dry since I rarely run the rig more than once a week.

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#13 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 12:46:01 PM(UTC)
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Thanks to all that has posted replies they have really been helpful. I have some sweetfeed mash brewing now I will try pot mode next run.
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#14 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 1:56:45 PM(UTC)
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Dusty, I have a psII as well, I've done probably 12 or 15 runs on it, it seems to be a really good rig!! I've run it in reflux as well as pot, but as of late, I've been on somewhat of a bender on fruit stuff, so I mostly run as pot lately. A little off topic, but how did you strain your mash into the kettle? One of my early runs was a sweet feed, and my straining did not fare well, I got a considerable amount burnt onto the bottom of the kettle, completely ruined run and 2 hours of cleaning time!!!
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 2:11:54 PM(UTC)
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I used a 5gal paint strainer from Lowes when I wash making my mash. After fermitation I transfered it into another bucket let it settle awhile. Sweetfeed is ok but you should try the Gerber recipe with barley its pretty good..
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#16 Posted : Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:48:35 AM(UTC)
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why not just use a siphon. You can stop before you get to the bottom. I have this one and works great http://www.brewhaus.com/...PVC-Tubing-P1277C97.aspx
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