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Offline RCRed  
#1 Posted : Monday, May 06, 2013 3:03:09 AM(UTC)
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Call me a worry wort... How much/often should you see bubblin's from the airlock on a grain wash? I had a previous one that bubbled about once a minute
the 24 hour mark, this current batch (with malted barley mashed in with the SF) is bubblin' about 3-5 times a minute
the 24 hour mark..

Wash had 1.080 SG and a potential of 13% on the hydrometer, prior to pitchin (Prestige WD ) I am using the recipie listed here:
http://www.brewhausforum...?2711-Sweet-Feed-Whiskey

Only modifications I made was to add the malted barley as Bushy has suggested. I also interpolated the cook time to 2 hours, 15 mins at 148f, and I watched and stirred every 8 minutes.

More bubblin's sounds better, but as Mr. Smith pointed out; "Looks can be deceiving" BigGrin
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#2 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:34:17 PM(UTC)
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"Temp: 71 (Only room in the house the wife doesn't keep cold enough to hang meat-It's an ""age"" thing Wink )

I closed the vents in that room to keep it near 71 - It's colder elsewhere in the house)

Day 3 - 7-9 times a minute - timed three times at 10am-2pm-6pm
Day 4 - 10-12
Day 5 - 12-13 (measured at 6am)

Thru the fermenter I can see it's formed a nice cap, and the wash isn't the same deep brown it was when it started, kinda lightened up some - like a coca...

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Any comments welcome - even if it's to tell me I'm being too anal RollEyes"
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#3 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 1:08:41 AM(UTC)
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"Hi Red,

For my washes, it would be a little strange if the CO2 output continued to increase on day 5. If you closed the vents on day 3, that would explain why the activity started picking up. I haven't tried the Prestige WD, but it appears that it likes the warmer temps. You might want to check the lid on your bucket. Sometimes they leak ... which can cause weird results when you're counting burps.

When you're mashing corn with barley malt rather than just using it for flavor, you might want to cook it (the corn) at temps higher than 150 F ... to make sure you get the corn starch into the brew water so the enzymes from the barley malt have plenty of starch to work on. Just make sure you let it cool back down before dropping in the malt so you don't denature the enzymes.

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#4 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 2:29:35 AM(UTC)
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If I was giving a SWAG ( sophisticated wild ass guess) I'd say the malt is breaking down the starches in the corn as it is going along and that, with the raised temp, is contributing in the crescendo of bubbling.
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#5 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 3:35:41 AM(UTC)
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Hi Guys, and thanks for the replies...

JohnB - yes sir, I did a air leak test on it initally - I have a plug for the grommet hole, rather unscientific, but, I pressed down on the top of the fermenter and held it (much like when ya can vegs) to see if I'd get pressure relief from around the sides. My Thumb holds that plug in securely whilst I was conducting that test for 30 seconds once I'd pitched and was ready to airlock.

I was wondering if I left too much headspace and shoulda done a 6gall wash instead of a 5gal...

The other concern I had was the prestige WD I used was not new, but it had about 9 months left before the expiry date on the package. I thought it'd be fine, but I read stuff about dates and yeasts, and wonder if I shuld have used newer yeast, or at least cultured it first. Package said not to culture it for risk of contamination...

I don't recall (and that doesnt mean its not documented somewhere) what a good bubblin' rate is or if it's even important, but I am journaling every thing I am doing at this point to get a deeper understand of the process over time.

Thanks agin, boys..
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#6 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 4:19:01 AM(UTC)
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High Royse, if it's bubbling good and the escaping gas does'nt smell bad then you most likely have a working mash. The aroma should be of alcohol and mash, nothing else.
Haveing a good foam cap on top is usually a good sign that it's not contaminated.
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#7 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2013 3:55:43 PM(UTC)
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Hey Guys:

I know that a lot of people are going to yell at me, but I stopped using a bubbler probably 8 or 10 years ago when brewing beer, wine and now likker. I go a good job of cleaning, mostly by putting a little bleach in with my soap and really hot water that I use to wash things with. Just use dish soap. I use really hot water and wear rubber gloves. The main concern is wild yeast infections. Even wild yeasts can't survive above 120 F. My hot water is probably about 130. Most yeasts can't survive 110. A lot of times, I just put a clean tall kitchen garbage bag over my fermentor with a big rubber band around the top. I have a pretty good idea when the fermentation is slowing or stopped. I check with a hydrometer on 3 consecetive days and if the reading is the same, its done. I use something like a turkey baster to draw a sample about 2 ounces. I throw the sample down the drain. I don't put it back. I rinse the turkey baster with really hot water before I use it every time. A lot of times, I taste the wort to see how it will turn out.

About doing a starter: If you want to do a starter, make sure that everything that is going to touch the starter culture is clean. Meaning pots, pans, bottles, spoons, etc, whatever is going to touch the yeast, water, sugar. Use boiled water that has cooled. If you are adding sugar, boil the sugar in the water first. Actually, you only need to take it up to 180 or 190. No wild yeast can survive that. The temp for the starter should be near 100 F when you pitch the yeast. Much above 100 and you will kill the yeast. You should see activity within an hour or two at most. If you have to wait 6 or 8 hours to see activity, I would throw it out and find new yeast. The main concern is that you don't want to culture a wild strain of yeast. The wild yeast will really sour the mash to the point where its really not drinkable - to me anyway. If you have a good yeast, you will see activity in an hour. If not, you wont
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#8 Posted : Sunday, May 12, 2013 6:06:55 AM(UTC)
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Hi All,

Thanks for the replies. I had to tool down to Austin for a few days for work..

Bushy - It smells good, like a grain mash, I can smell the barley and the odor of grain, and it doesn't smell bad at all, matter of fact, I rather like the smell.

Bubble rate on ther airlock on Day 8 is about the same as Day 5, but the odor is a bit more pronounced and sweeter than on Day 5. Day 5, ya only caught a whiff every now and agin, while today (Day 8), the aroma is more pronouned.


Gravelier - I'm so darn anal about cleanliness (Wife cannot believe it).. I also use a light bleach and Dawn dishsoap blend, then I rinse and air dry. A few minutes before I commence filling the fermenter with the simpered wort/grain base, the inside and lid bottom get a coat of star-san. And, my temps at fermeter fill are about 140-148f. I use either ozarka or other good quality water in a 5 gal carboy, and I do NOT break the seal on the carboy until I am ready to boil/simper. I keep the 5gal water container covered with the cap that also has been sprayed with star-san and replaced on the carboy top until I need the remainder to cool the wort to pitch temp.

I did not do a culture on this one, just a straight pitch at 89f. But had I, the culture container would have been sanitized the same, and I would have sourced it with good water to boot. But I DO like your idea about testing the yeast via a culture.

I do plan on taking some backset from this one and goin agin with another SF wash as soon as this one is done, If that smell is indicative this could be a really tasty one. My first and second Sugra washes worked ok, I guess, but it took a while for it to settle in the jars so it was a tasteful nuetral. Ran them too fast 'cause I was being too anal and trying to overcontrol the process. This one I will run very slow in Pot still mode and take the heads/high-low hearts/tail into the next SF wash. I've got my extra cooling cans ready now, and plenty of gallon jugs I have filled w/water and froze in my freezer.

Cheers, boys.. I gotta go get the weeds outa the garden now.. I swear they wait for me to leave and then sprout like mexicans crossing the border...
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#9 Posted : Monday, May 13, 2013 2:33:22 AM(UTC)
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OK, I thought of a stupid question to ask...


The original thread I was following says this finishes in 7-10 days, but with that take off at day 3 or so, I was gonna allocate more time. Do I open the fermenter up, sample test with a hydrometer, give it a stir and relock it, or jes leave it alone since it is starting to slow a bit ?

Today's measurement is 7-8 Fat bubble groups a minute.. Measured at 6am, and agin
9am.
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#10 Posted : Monday, May 13, 2013 6:14:02 AM(UTC)
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Since you're using an airlock (bubbler), I wouldn't do anything until it appears that the activity is stopped. Want I proposed is to ensure that it is finished working, fermenting. Then, making sure that all components are clean, thief a sample into your hydrometer tube. Write down the date and the reading in your log. I keep records of every batch and brew that I make. Next day, do it again. If it is the same, the batch is done working. I usually wait another day and make sure with another reading. I would not recommend stirring or putting the sample back.
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#11 Posted : Monday, May 13, 2013 7:16:35 AM(UTC)
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No, I wouldn't put the sample back, I would toss that. I read what ya said above about it.

And yes, I was at odds about lifting that lid at all while it was still pushing bubbles as I didnt want to let oxygen in there.
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#12 Posted : Monday, May 13, 2013 1:22:09 PM(UTC)
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Most of the time, I use my IPad when cruising the net and commenting on the forum. The IPad has a habit of making changes that I didn't necessarily think were appropriate. It's sometimes interesting to look back at a comment and say to myself, "How in the hell did that word get in there?". Sorry for the confusion folks.

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:26:25 AM(UTC)
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I had to disable that feature on my iPhone - when I answered work emails, the same was happening, and since it didn't red flag the text, I didn't notice it till managlement commented on it...Actually, they asked if I had that feature turned on and to please turn it off BigGrin

Guess it bites everyone...
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#14 Posted : Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:52:05 AM(UTC)
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Been gone a few days on R&R at a festival.. now
day 13, we are down to 3 burps a minute...
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:21:07 PM(UTC)
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I think it's done.. it's slowed to 1 burp every three or four minutes.... I guess it's time for a theivin' sample and a hydrometer check...We are upwards of 17 days now..And the temp in that room has been 72 and the fermeter thermomenter was also at 72... Go figgure.

Smell coming off the airlock is a sweet alcohol smell.. I had a fresh nose check it too and confirmed.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:07:43 PM(UTC)
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Hey RC Red:

Thief your sample and take your read. I usually write it on a slip of paper and leave it on top of the fermenter. Wait a day or two, and do it again. If its the same, then I say it's done. I have a AG corn, wheat, barley wash dripping at present. I felt pretty good after 5 days and I had it down to 1.000. Couldn't run it right away, so I let it set for about another 6 days. Took a reading tonight and it was 0.998. Even better. See what I mean. Let the hydrometer tell you when it's done.

Happy stillin

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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:47:00 PM(UTC)
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All I can (will) say is .. Oh my... Cool

Racked into secondary thru a paint strainer (once I figured out how to get a siphon goin' good) - I could tell right then from the taste.. I stopped and left 3/4" of liquid over the trub- didnt want to disturb the sediment..

Hydrometer - straight to the bottom.. I mean all the damn way down the tube.

Clearing now...
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#18 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2013 4:54:39 AM(UTC)
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Sounds really good. Hey send me a sample after you run it. My corn,wheat,barley 50/25/25 didn't turn out as good as I had hoped. Maybe just that I like the 70% corn better. The c w b mix is a lot lighter in taste. I'm sure it won't go to waste.
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#19 Posted : Friday, June 07, 2013 1:19:37 AM(UTC)
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Well, crud.... What do you do...

I ran in Pot still mode...Everything was going great... I mean better than I expected. I ran as slow as I could, low and slow, only allowing an increase in temps when I had to(Keeping my drip rate-2 to 3 a second). Mostly I was adjusting the blichmann lower to keep temps from going up too fast...

I was getting beautiful clear drippin's, tastes changed accordingly as the run progessed... dumped 150ml (more like 200ml) foreshots, then 5 numbered pint jars filled, capped with filters and left to age..I could already smell the difference between jars 2 and 3, and jar 5 was the smoothest..

Then about 20% into jar 6, oh, sh*t....The heat went out.... waha? EMPTY propane bottle-WHAT an IDIOT!!??!! It's like 2:45am, I'm 30miles from an all night store you coulda got propane from... And I damn sho wasn't going to drive for a propane refill (exchange) at this time of day - who does BBQ's that time of day? BigGrin

Ok, so, I popped the bung, blackflushed a little cooling water down the column, and shut her down...

My question is - Once I've refilled my propane bottles (including the empty one my neighbor traded with me missus for my spare when he ran out two weeks ago), can I start over with the wash I had left? My gut is telling me that, yes, of course I can, and I start over with collection of foreshots, heads, the whole nine jars... Cool

TIA for any advice..
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#20 Posted : Friday, June 07, 2013 7:53:55 AM(UTC)
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Hey RC Red

I would think that you are way past the fors and heads. The fors and heads come off the column first b/c they boil off first. More volitile and such. When you get to the hearts and especially the tails, the etoh is tied up with other stuff, meaning more flavor. So if you are continuing a run, you are going to be somewhere in the hearts or tails.

However, here is a thought, if there is some stuff that you want to re-distill, then this might be a point to do it. Then i would guess you may have some fors to throw out, or save as solvent, ant poison, etc, and some heads.

Just thinking and probably causing trouble. Good luck

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