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Offline kane  
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 01, 2013 5:34:56 AM(UTC)
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"Hey guys how would i go about making 110 octane race fuel for my boat
would straight 200 % do it or would i have to mix it with av gas and or does it mix with av gas ?"
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:58:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kane Go to Quoted Post
Hey guys how would i go about making 110 octane race fuel for my boat
would straight 200 % do it or would i have to mix it with av gas and or does it mix with av gas ?


200 Proof is rated to about 130 octane give or take a little. That would be more than enough.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:11:28 AM(UTC)
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That may be true but those of us in the home distilling hobby will find it almost impossible to make 100% or 200 proof. I bet it would still burn at less than that but however much water is left in it would prolly make your motor very unhappy.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:00:06 AM(UTC)
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there is some kind of pellets i cant think of what they are right now it removes the water 200 % is not a problem 2 or three runs at the most is all you need
if you get your mash up to the high 20 % range you can get up to 95 % on a single run with a double condenser
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#5 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:00:08 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: heeler Go to Quoted Post
That may be true but those of us in the home distilling hobby will find it almost impossible to make 100% or 200 proof. I bet it would still burn at less than that but however much water is left in it would prolly make your motor very unhappy.


200 proof is not impossible. You can even get it with 1 run if you have a way of drying the ethanol. It's called Zeolite 3A Dessicant. it removes all of the water from the alcohol. This is pretty much where a Flexfuel engine comes in handy.

Originally Posted by: kane Go to Quoted Post
there is some kind of pellets i cant think of what they are right now it removes the water 200 % is not a problem 2 or three runs at the most is all you need
if you get your mash up to the high 20 % range you can get up to 95 % on a single run with a double condenser


It's called Zeolite 3A Dessicant. One run in a reflux still combined with using this item will give you 200 proof. The bad thing about Zeolite though is that it is hard to get sometimes. Milehigh Distilling stopped carrying it. And other places want you to buy it in bulk. Brewhaus doesn't carry it either.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:07:19 AM(UTC)
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I'm still wondering what other kind of filters I also can use. The carbon filtering is an absolute must.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:24:42 AM(UTC)
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10/4 thats it
heres the link i just found
http://www.alibaba.com/s...olite-3a-pellet-1mm.html
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#8 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:41:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kane Go to Quoted Post
10/4 thats it
heres the link i just found
http://www.alibaba.com/s...olite-3a-pellet-1mm.html


Kool deal man. Unfortunately they want you to buy it in bulk.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:59:03 AM(UTC)
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yep thats was my first search if you dig around i found some but i lost the site now
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#10 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:02:14 AM(UTC)
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fish food ? its not same as fish food is it ?
http://www.calibex.com/z...libex2zB1z0--search-html
seems like India is the main suppliers
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#11 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:13:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kane Go to Quoted Post
yep thats was my first search if you dig around i found some but i lost the site now

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fish food ? its not same as fish food is it ?
http://www.calibex.com/z...libex2zB1z0--search-html
seems like India is the main suppliers


They pop up quite bit. I did contact Milehigh Distilling to find out if there's an alternative that can be used and if there's not, where they use to get their zeolite from. I've not heard anything just yet. It's still up on their website, but they did inform me by email that they quit stcoking it. Maybe we can get Rick to carry it.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:38:37 AM(UTC)
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there is some kind of pellets i cant think of what they are right now it removes the water 200 % is not a problem 2 or three runs at the most is all you need
if you get your mash up to the high 20 % range you can get up to 95 % on a single run with a double condenser


hmmmm..the percentage of your mash shouldn't even matter, it's the tower or distillation unit that you use to {{concentrate}} the distillate, hence a reflux tower will get you a purer higher proof likker than a gooseneck tower (or pot still tower). And a 10-12 plate flute tower would be even better.

Today I bet you can buy some kind of pellet to help with the h2o removal but at what cost?? And at home?? Is there a permit for that?? It would prolly be cheaper to buy the AV Gas fuel.

A double condenser????? If the vapor has been condensed by the first condenser what does the second condenser do???

I'm not shooting you down but if $$$ is not an issue I bet you surely could make a go of it and make it work in your favor, but again if money is not an issue why not just buy the higher octane fuel??

On a side note....I know a guy who has access to returned beer kegs and he has reluxed the left over beer out of em and burned that in his airboat without any problems. I dont know what the proof or octane would be but he said it does burn when mixed with aviation fuel so I guess your idea would work even if you didn't make 200 proof."
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#13 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:59:52 AM(UTC)
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cool yea my problem is all the high octane fuel suppliers have left the area
and i did a home made tower that works like a flute i did packing separations making it work like aflute and i call that a double triple condenser area my bad and i also put a ice pack at the top of the tower to help even more with reflux im still learning so i get the language wrong from time to time
anyways
thats all i got
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#14 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:21:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: heeler Go to Quoted Post
hmmmm..the percentage of your mash shouldn't even matter, it's the tower or distillation unit that you use to {{concentrate}} the distillate, hence a reflux tower will get you a purer higher proof likker than a gooseneck tower (or pot still tower). And a 10-12 plate flute tower would be even better.

Today I bet you can buy some kind of pellet to help with the h2o removal but at what cost?? And at home?? Is there a permit for that?? It would prolly be cheaper to buy the AV Gas fuel.

A double condenser????? If the vapor has been condensed by the first condenser what does the second condenser do???

I'm not shooting you down but if $$$ is not an issue I bet you surely could make a go of it and make it work in your favor, but again if money is not an issue why not just buy the higher octane fuel??

On a side note....I know a guy who has access to returned beer kegs and he has reluxed the left over beer out of em and burned that in his airboat without any problems. I dont know what the proof or octane would be but he said it does burn when mixed with aviation fuel so I guess your idea would work even if you didn't make 200 proof.


The percentage of a wash does matter a little bit because it determines how much you get out of a run, but that is all. The absolute minimum proof for fuel should be around 160. Kane was basically talking about turning a standard pot still into a reflux still, but in my opinion he would be better off buying a tower from Brewhaus. Kane, these are the ones I recomend:

http://www.brewhaus.com/...-Connector-P1016C96.aspx

^ This one is for small batches. It's best for making a small amount of fuel such as a couple of lawn mowers and some vehicles that have a small capacity fuel tank (5 gallons or less).

http://www.brewhaus.com/...ity-Column-P1019C96.aspx

^ This one here I would recomend for larger batches such as fueling small cars and trucks and what not because it can handle alot larger volumes. The bad thing about this one though is the fact I would not recomend this for the small scale hobbyist. The minimum size boiler you'd need would be 30 gallons or larger because it's speed is off the charts. I was told that this beast can empty a 15 gallon boiler/kettle in 40 minutes at 93% ABV without breaking a sweat and that is running it slow. To stay on the hobby scale, I wouldn't go higher than a 55 gallon kettle/boiler which would require a custom burner. These guys is whom I would recomend paying a visit to to find out how to set up a fuel operation:

http://www.bubbasbarrels.com/

^ They're really good, but be prepared to spend alot of money. The small burner alone that they custom build is $200+ bucks, but it's designed to support a large 55+ gallon barrel. Brewhaus and Bubba's Barrels. Kane you also need to talk to Bayou Ruler about his set up and what all he'd recomend. Right now I'm just getting started myself and really can't help you that much just yet.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:56:13 PM(UTC)
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i have seen the bubba barrels
and if i buy those reflux chambers one at a time it wont pinch the wallet in one big bite
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#16 Posted : Friday, September 13, 2013 5:59:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kane Go to Quoted Post
i have seen the bubba barrels
and if i buy those reflux chambers one at a time it wont pinch the wallet in one big bite


Kool deal man. I wish I can say the same thing about my budget. I'm going to get one of those reflux stills I posted up. I just don't know when I'll be able to.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:56:56 AM(UTC)
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i dint mean anything disrespectful in any way all i was saying is you can take any batch and run it up to 200 proof to make fuel
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#18 Posted : Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:50:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kane Go to Quoted Post
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i dint mean anything disrespectful in any way all i was saying is you can take any batch and run it up to 200 proof to make fuel


200 Proof is not achievable using standard distillation methods with no additives. Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorbed moisture from the atmosphere.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:58:11 AM(UTC)
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200 Proof is not achievable using standard distillation methods with no additives. Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorbed moisture from the atmosphere.

you are right thats why you need the pellets 198 at best is what i have seen posted i have yet to try this myself
i also seen a continuous fuel still on youtube a feller made and there is another tube video where the man shows using one of those little electric still and makes fuel with the pellets etc and he just keeps re running it till he gets up over 195 p and that will blend with any fuel there for doubling your fuel with a 50/50 mix
i cant find the video the title was something your government dont want u to know

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol
anyways
thats all i got
if this thread gets into a pissing match ill delete it
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