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"Hi Ya'll .
I built a copper still recently (what fun). It is only 5 gallon with an inline condenser.
I slopped some mash together nite before last, not sure i did it right, if you have any advice i could use it.
my recipe was 5 gallon water at 165 degrees 8.5 lbs cracked corn 1.5 lbs malted barley 1 small package turbo yeast
i put the corn in at 165 and stirred for 5 minutes, then added barley when temp went to 152 degrees.
I put a lid on it and next morning it was still at 100 degrees. I stirred it again and when the temp got down to 80 degrees, I added the pack of turbo yeast.
then worried because the package of yeast said it only made 1.1 gallons, I added a handful of Fleischman's yeast. I tasted it and since it did not taste very sweet I threw in 2 red solo cups of sugar, although recipe did not call for sugar
I do have an alcohol tester doohickey but no other equipment like specific gravity doohickey.
now it has quit bubbling after only 24 hrs. oh i get an occasional bubble or two.
what have i messed up? anyone wanna help out?
thank you.
Susie Moonshiner
okay yesterday it was tearing up the bubbler on top, and this morning, barely bubbling."
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it was eating up those two cups of sugar and now its on the corn and barley would be my guess
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if it was a 24 or 48 turbo it could be done. However it's hard to tell without an OG . Try using something that works slower next time and maybe start with a sugar wash until you get the hang of things
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I borrowed a specific gravity doohickey from friend and it sez... 0% alcohol. so guess i got some waitin to do. lol.
oh is it bad that I ground the barley into flour before using in blender? that was only way i had to grind it.
thanks for the help.
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Originally Posted by: kane it was eating up those two cups of sugar and now its on the corn and barley would be my guess i hope so. specific gravity was 1.0o0
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Originally Posted by: dieselduo if it was a 24 or 48 turbo it could be done. However it's hard to tell without an OG . Try using something that works slower next time and maybe start with a sugar wash until you get the hang of things thank you for the help. is OG a specific gravity doohickey? lol. i just love the Mr. Science part of this...
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you need a hydrometer for you wash (which will not work in a distilled spirit) but will let you the potential ABV. I guess thats what you are talking about doohickey. An alcoholmeter will let you know the ABV in a distilled spirit. Think you need to do some reading
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lol. with that new shiney still just waitin? I gotta try something. oh it is such fun to try.
yes borrowed a Hydrometer it sez on box.... not sure my recipe was good, so I came on here for help.
thanks
Susie
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If you have a triple scale hydrometer you still can get a Potential alcohol reading telling you the potential of the rest of the ferment.
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Originally Posted by: scotty If you have a triple scale hydrometer you still can get a Potential alcohol reading telling you the potential of the rest of the ferment. yes it has 3 scale thingeys on it i think.
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Originally Posted by: SusieMoonshiner yes it has 3 scale thingeys on it i think. Didn't it come with instructions?
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lol it has a paper explaining some things. i just borrowed it. did i mention i never did this before? I been reading on here and I really messed up bad not cooking my cracked corn, so probably this batch is DOOMED....
so I been cooking corn on the stove all nite for a new batch, gonna pitch my yeast when it cools down. I got the cracked corn all gooey and sorta like oatmeal in a bowl. hope it works. It surely tripled in size when I cooked it. not sure i have room enough for enough water.. it's pretty full now.
trouble is I read one thing and it sez GOOD then I read another's opinion and it is the opposite opinion... lol help help
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Originally Posted by: SusieMoonshiner so I been cooking corn on the stove all nite for a new batch, gonna pitch my yeast when it cools down. I got the cracked corn all gooey and sorta like oatmeal in a bowl. hope it works. It surely tripled in size when I cooked it. not sure i have room enough for enough water.. it's pretty full now.
Umm, Ms. Susie.. You need some AG (enzyme) to help break up that gooey mess. The AG enzyme helps convert the starches in the corn to sugars... I reccomend you take some time to read about preparing ferments as it is also important what temps you cook that corn at too.... http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=46 - This is a good start - Look at the fementing/mashing section... Unfortuntately, this isn't like making a prized meat loaf (and believe me, I make a mean Texas style meatloaf). There's quite a bit of science to it and at first, I too took off like you did, and I had several bad starts until I stopped and went back and read it ALL two or three times until I understood how to use my gear, and what to expect along the way. I promise you, it's a LOT more fun that way... There are Youtube vids out there on how to use the Hydrometer, how to make a mash, etc... Some of it is bunk, but some is very valuable too. Cheers |
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isn't that what the malted barley is for? lol doomed, i'm doomed.
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It can, but at the right porportions... I typically make Sweet Feed washes and they also use Barley, but I still use a yeast that as AG added to it. The biggest secret to getting this right is doing your research and knowing how the ingredients interact. A lot of the folks here are going to ask you questions to help support you and knowing the above information is essential to giving answers that work for ya. Heh - not Doomed, just excited about the hobby. Nothing wrong with that, but like a toddler, thay have to learn to walk before running |
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miracle of miracles the first batch is still working. i see bubbles and movement in the mash. Batch #2 is doing well as well
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both batches still working today. i am shocked the first batch still working. yum yum corn likker...
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" Originally Posted by: SusieMoonshiner I borrowed a specific gravity doohickey from friend and it sez... 0% alcohol. so guess i got some waitin to do. lol.
oh is it bad that I ground the barley into flour before using in blender? that was only way i had to grind it.
thanks for the help. Susie, If that specific gravity doohickey was a standard triple-scale brewer's and winemaker's specific gravity doohickey, then the ""% alcohol"" scale is really a % potential alcohol scale, and if after some fermentation, the specific gravity scale read 1.000, then that was a triple scale hydrometer telling you that all the sugar has been eaten by yeast (or raccoons or sumpin), and that there is no more potential for making more alcohol. Basically, that triple-scale hydrometer you have is only for measuring density (specific gravity). If you happen to drop it into a solution of (mostly) sugar and water (which is what it's expecting to see), it has scales to tell you, based on that density reading, how much sugar is in your solution, and how much alcohol that much sugar could potentially make. If you shoulod drop that triple-scale hydrometer into saltwater (which it's not expecting and doesn't understand), it will still give you a specific gravity (accurate), and infer a sugar content and potential alcohol, both complete nonsense."
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that makes sense. wonder why it is still fermenting? it is bubbling, sorta a glowing embers kinda ferment.
the second batch i made had initial specific gravity of 1.04 after adjusting for the temp. do i check it again after it quits bubbling? how long does that take, like a week?
lots of the stuff i am reading uses so much brewing slang i don't understand it very much.
mash smells like whiskey to me?? smells sorta yeasty and good. hope something works. fingers crossed.
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Very simple rule on this one.. If it's still bubblin', it ain' done... Ideally, the FG should be .09nn
If it still tastes sweet, there's till sugar to be eaten... Patience... I ferment in a fairly cool area, 76-78, and it can take up to 10 days plus clearing time. And that's a 5 gal wash.
Wait til NO bubbles? Possibly, but at the same time, realize that some Co2 will occasionally bubble out after fermentation has ended. When mine don't bubble for like 5 mins (And yes, I stand there and count off the minutes), I take a Hydrometer reading for FG. If she's low and the batch has cleared (yeasties dropped to the bottom with sediments), I'm ready to run it. |
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