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Offline whaler  
#1 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 6:00:13 AM(UTC)
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"I kinda poked around but didnt notice anybody mention this but, couldn't the sugar be melted into a simple solution before being added to any ferment process? Confused

IDK maybe Im wrong but simple syrup makes everything I make with sugar easier to mix, quicker the final product as long as I make the syrup a little in advance so it cools somewhat. Mixes right in. Makes the most fantastic iced tea. Might do wonders for the industry. Hahaha Tongue"
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#2 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 8:35:30 AM(UTC)
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Basic simple syrup is equal parts of sugar and water. My method however is so that the syrup can be used 1 teaspoon of syrup equal to 1 teaspoon of granulated.

I fill a 1 cup Pyrex cup to the 1 cup line with granulated. Then I slowly add water as the sugar absorbs it. My goal is to only add enough water so the cups contents never go above the 1 cup mark. Then I pour the contents into a pot and heat it till I boils for a few minutes. After this o pour it back into the Pyrex measuring cup. Because it boiled a bit. the level should be just below the 1 cup mark. Top it up and let it cool to room temperature. Top up again of necessary.
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#3 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 9:26:12 AM(UTC)
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Hmmmm I kinda see where your going with the thought but I was thinking if the recipe calls for 5 gallons of water, use 1 1/2 - 2 gallons of that 5 to make the syrup.
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#4 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 9:41:53 AM(UTC)
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I've tried it and just can't see any difference between syrup or just dissolving the sugar. Seems like a lot of trouble with no visibility. What is that you think you can accomplish with it in fermenting ?
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#5 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 10:36:11 AM(UTC)
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"what I think will be accomplished is is complete and fully dissolved sugar without having to raise the temp of a whole pot of water thereby saving the energy it takes to heat the water so the sugar will melt. (although I will be using the energy my hot water heater consumes to heat the water,but I do that everyday)

Maybe an added process but it saves me the fuel it takes to heat and melt sugar. Maybe you could even catch some of those rat turds, that slip by QC at the sugar plant, before you melt them into your batch. Wink"
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#6 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 10:52:19 AM(UTC)
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Oh and I guess maybe you wouldn't have to cool your batch if if the sugar is melted and cooled before you add it to the mix. I like the idea of consistency.
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#7 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 11:12:48 AM(UTC)
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Consistent to what ? Really don't have a clue what you are saying unless you are adding the simple syrup to use in your cocktails or macerating something
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#8 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 11:20:53 AM(UTC)
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hmmm Im guessing you havent been reading along. Its ok... Im under the impression here that the only stupid question is the one not asked.

Sorry to put you in a tailspin there Diesel
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#9 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 11:29:57 AM(UTC)
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please enlighten me on what i missed. seems like someone is a little touchy to me. only here to help
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#10 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 11:31:34 AM(UTC)
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Well then help.

Am I wrong by melting my sugar before I put it into my ferment process?
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#11 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 11:34:33 AM(UTC)
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Where did I say you were wrong ? This isn't rocket science. If it works for you then do it
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#12 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 11:52:09 AM(UTC)
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No you didnt say it was wrong. First you said it was alot of trouble with no visibility and then you said if I was mixing my drinks or macerating with it? Idk....that just seemed a little off subject and convoluted but you may not be a straight answer kinda guy.

No worries. I understood your opinion the first time you said it was added trouble. Heard and noted.
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#13 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 12:07:36 PM(UTC)
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DD ALWAYS TRYS TO HELP . Please don't read more into his comment than there is.
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#14 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 12:24:46 PM(UTC)
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Its ok Scotty. I thought I was pretty straight forward when I first asked the question. I was only looking for constructive criticism to maybe save me from doing something that was incorrect.

I wasnt trying to read between the lines, I just didnt understand the sparring without adding anything new to the conversation.
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#15 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 3:23:46 PM(UTC)
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"When I'm using sugar, there are only two things that matter to me: (1) it gets dissolved, (2) it doesn't have any nasties that can contaminate the wash. That's why I always use boiling water to dissolve my sugar and let it sit for 10 minutes or so ... basically just doing a simple pasteurization ... nothing complicated. When I see bubbles, the water is hot enough and I pour it over the sugar in the fermenting bucket ... no thermometers, no measurements. As long as the temp is above 140 F for a long enough period, I figure I'm in good shape. Simple and consistent.

How you choose to accomplish the task is up to you. But there's a lot to be said for conservation of effort in our hobby ... that's what I took from diesel's initial posts ... along with a question as to the potential benefits of the proposed technique ... a fair and open-ended question. No big deal."
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#16 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 3:44:21 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the input JB. Those 2 points you make are the exact reason I see melting your sugar in advance, to thoroughly melt the sugar and hopefully catch and foreign matter in the sugar.

I agree that DD's question was fair and open ended. That's why I answered it promptly and as accurately as you described in your post on both points.

After that, it went south when my question got high jacked by his.

Thanks guys. I guess it just depends on the question you ask because mine obviously got twisted into being stoopid.

Bump.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:25:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: whaler Go to Quoted Post
I kinda poked around but didnt notice anybody mention this but, couldn't the sugar be melted into a simple solution before being added to any ferment process? Confused

IDK maybe Im wrong but simple syrup makes everything I make with sugar easier to mix, quicker the final product as long as I make the syrup a little in advance so it cools somewhat. Mixes right in. Makes the most fantastic iced tea. Might do wonders for the industry. Hahaha Tongue



Its not going to make any difference with the fermentation or final product.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:20:19 AM(UTC)
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I can understand having the simple syrup done ahead of time will save time and energy on ferment day. But it gets spent either way. Doing it ahead of time will save the time it takes to cool on ferment day. Could be handy.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:40:49 AM(UTC)
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"I think the question is what is it that you gain?
Sugar will dissolve in the water without heating? Takes a little longer but I'm in no hurry.
At least that's how I read it. I'm new but I dissolve 15 lbs of sugar in 4 gal without heat directly in a plastic fermenter.
I prefer it because lifting is a big issue for me. I set the fermenter up on a table where I can fill and siphon off without carrying a lot of weight.
It's all downhill from there. :)
Don't even own a BOP. Different Strokes........."
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