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Offline whiskykid  
#1 Posted : Friday, January 10, 2014 2:00:59 PM(UTC)
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so, did a 5-6 gallon ujsm ferment and put it through the pot still today. 5 gallons of water plus 7 pounds of corn and 7 pounds of sugar was around 6 gallon mark in fermenter. started at 1.6 sg and when I worked it it was less than 1 but not at .99. anyway put it through the still and this time really paid attention to my cuts. thanks heeler! first 300 mills I threw out, then next 200-300mls in one jar and kept changing around 400. around jar 3 it started smelling less but still had a nose. around 4 I liked the taste. around 5 really liked the taste but was loosing a tad of alcohol content. 6 was the bomb no smell great corn taste but weaker still. then collected 1.5 quarts of tails. first qt tasted great but very low alcohol but great corn smell and flavor. then got a little sour so I shut it down after that last half qt. so I am thinking that out of 5 gallons I got 2-2.5 pints of good flavor/alcohol content and 1 qt of low alcohol content but good smell taste tails. all airing out now. ok, how does that sound boys? I tried not to be greedy. school me I really want to get this down. will be using the heads and tails in next batch that is perking now.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:33:22 AM(UTC)
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so did some rereading. amazing how certain things don't stick until you reread it. do most of you running a pot still double distill all your runs and is that for increasing your proof or just cleaning up flavor? or do you only double distill certain kinds of liquor? do most double distill the ujsm ferment?

do you get more hearts from a second distill then you would from a first or doesn't it matter?

my second batch of ujsm is perking away. it started right up after adding the wash and water/sugar back in

I have some sugar wash distillate that I failed to cut properly. if I add this to the next ujsm pot run will it mess with the flavor?

thanks
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#3 Posted : Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:39:45 AM(UTC)
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I very rarely run it again, if you run it really slow to start I don't see any need to. just make good cuts and keep a feints jar
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:57:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: whiskykid Go to Quoted Post
so did some rereading. amazing how certain things don't stick until you reread it. do most of you running a pot still double distill all your runs and is that for increasing your proof or just cleaning up flavor? or do you only double distill certain kinds of liquor? do most double distill the ujsm ferment?

do you get more hearts from a second distill then you would from a first or doesn't it matter?

my second batch of ujsm is perking away. it started right up after adding the wash and water/sugar back in

I have some sugar wash distillate that I failed to cut properly. if I add this to the next ujsm pot run will it mess with the flavor?

thanks

I also rarley re-run my likker, because I run it slow and cold, but thats just my way. You asked do you get MORE hearts? No you dont whatever is there is there, what you are doing in a re-distill is removing more of the water and a little more of the flavor, but if you go slow both times it wont be an absolute neutral.
Adding to the next run is fine, but this time collect in small jars to start with and dont forget to let it air out for 24 hours before you combine them. The way to make proper cuts is the next day after airing for 24 hours use your nose and give em a sniff. Add only the best smelling jars to the big jar for diluteing to drinking strength.
Again.....
When you fill your boiler again add all your previous likker (good and bad) then still it slow and cool and collect in small jars, then 24 hours later sniff em and toss what you want in your hearts jar and what smells funky toss out. From your first post it sounds like your getting close so keep going it'll all come together and good luck."
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:03:14 AM(UTC)
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"Oh sorry one more thing, all those jars that you dont add to the hearts jar just save em in something and add all that liquid to the next boiler fillup. See your not throwing it away just saving it for later.
Now I dont save or re-run any of that stuff but newbies just cant bring themselves to throw it out and thats understandable, it took 2 weeks to ferment and 5 hours to still it - and you ask why in the hell would I toss it out, you'll see just use your nose and palate and keep at it.Cool"
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:37:42 PM(UTC)
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"Thanks Heeler. i was hoping you would respond.
this is what i did last weekend. i threw all the previous stuff back in with some water and ran it sloooooooow. i thought i was going slow before but this time i was so slow i had to keep tweaking the burner to make the temp go up or it would just sit there or go down. I got the spoon out and kept checking for smell taste etc. I collected everything is pint jars, going the 200-300 mills each or changing when i noticed a difference in feel smeel taste. Some had a smell and i was discouraged but i let it all air-going on 48 hours now- and most of it has no smell at all now. none of that hit you in the nose like before.
so tell me, do you thnk re-adding those heads and tails makes for a worse product? Is that why you dont do it? Is it because once yu get good at this the heads and tails dont contain any of the hearts that may have smeared into them? I know i really liked the smell and taste of the ujsm tails to a point.
So if running slow and low what abv should i get out of a ujsm wash? and how much hearts out of a 5 g wash? It would be nice to have a mark to shoot for.
Advice and feedback is very welcome and i really apprieciate it.

whiskykid"
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#7 Posted : Friday, January 17, 2014 8:28:02 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Heeler. i was hoping you would respond.
this is what i did last weekend. i threw all the previous stuff back in with some water and ran it sloooooooow. i thought i was going slow before but this time i was so slow i had to keep tweaking the burner to make the temp go up or it would just sit there or go down. I got the spoon out and kept checking for smell taste etc. I collected everything is pint jars, going the 200-300 mills each or changing when i noticed a difference in feel smeel taste. Some had a smell and i was discouraged but i let it all air-going on 48 hours now- and most of it has no smell at all now. none of that hit you in the nose like before.
so tell me, do you thnk re-adding those heads and tails makes for a worse product? Is that why you dont do it? Is it because once yu get good at this the heads and tails dont contain any of the hearts that may have smeared into them? I know i really liked the smell and taste of the ujsm tails to a point.
So if running slow and low what abv should i get out of a ujsm wash? and how much hearts out of a 5 g wash? It would be nice to have a mark to shoot for.
Advice and feedback is very welcome and i really apprieciate it.

whiskykid


Hey kid, it is harder to adjust the heat with gas I know but that sounds about right. The collection rate sounds good too, remember always in small quantities.
24-36 hours is just right on the airing out bit too, you can really notice a difference huh? Remember use your nose, give a little puff of air BEFORE you sniff....
About the heads and tails..yes and no!!!! Heads is not something I want to drink and re-distilling it wont make it better. Remember the heads alcohols are -Methanol and Ethyl Acetate and some Acetone... yucky! Now with the tails adding that back is a little easier on my mind and I will tell you to save that and re-run it. Heads no ---tails well ok!!
The ABV you get is dependent on what type tower you use but dont concentrate on proof its not that important. If you get 190 proof and it tastes like shit does that make it better? Oh and by the way high proof likker does taste like shit.
From a 5 gallon wash I get approx 2-2.5 quarts of -- keepers ---. You may have 3.5 quarts after you cook but after you cut tomorrow and get rid of heads and tails it is deminished somewhat by what you toss out (the heads) and put in the feints jar (the tails). So for me I know 2-2.5 quarts is the best of the run but I make damned sure theres none of that smelly stuff in my finished likker. If I dont have enough I'll just make more but I want what I've got to be the best.

OK then sorry for the length of all that babble - hope it helps you some and happy stillin."
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#8 Posted : Friday, January 17, 2014 8:57:02 AM(UTC)
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...... If I dont have enough I'll just make more but I want what I've got to be the best.
+5 on that one...As much effort as this takes, why fool around with crud?

I get about the same amounts (2.3) qts outa a 5 gal SF run as well. Most times it's discernible after two days air time, but I had one early on that was a bit hot so I gave it more time and it smoothed out a bit. I'm not sure which burner you are using, I use a Blichmann which has a dial that's really fine on the adjustments and you can trim that heat output down really small or make it an inferno.

As you do multiple batches your nose will get more and more sensitive and you will find you pick up those subtle changes better. It's not something that can be taught, it's one of those a fella just hasta do awhile, or at least that's how my experience has been.. so far...


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If you get 190 proof and it tastes like shit does that make it better? Oh and by the way high proof likker does taste like shit.
You crack me up sometimes, Heeler BigGrin
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:50:48 AM(UTC)
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back to the drawing board. im not geting quite that much to keep. I saw those burners mentioned before. I am using a less quality burner though it has a better valve on it than my turkey frier. Could i be too hot still and missing some collection time? May be time to squirrel away some funds. thanks for the help amigos.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:23:16 AM(UTC)
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back to the drawing board. im not geting quite that much to keep. I saw those burners mentioned before. I am using a less quality burner though it has a better valve on it than my turkey frier. Could i be too hot still and missing some collection time? May be time to squirrel away some funds. thanks for the help amigos.


The amount you are getting is dependent upon your wash recipe not the amount of heat you put to it....the recipe I use is what I was giving details about. If you use a wash that is only 5% etoh then you wouldn't get the same amount of hearts in a wash with 18% etoh.....you see what I'm saying????"
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Hi whiskykid,
How much you cut will vary based apon your recipie that you're using and what type of still you have as well as your own personal tastes. There's really no exact science to it because there's so many factors and variables that changes things. Doing a standard sugar wash, I usually get around 2.5 gallons (or 10 liters) at 40% ABV of finished product. I learned the hard way that a higher proof can kill a recipie. It took me 4 runs in 2012 to figure out that I needed to drop the proof to 30% ABV (60 proof) and do a yeast starter instead of just using the yeast the way I had been on my peach brandy recipie. Now my peach brandy is like a fresh made peach cobbler that just came out of the oven which is what I wanted. It comes with time and experience.
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#12 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 8:50:19 AM(UTC)
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thanks knightmare1015. I am anticipating both with this.
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thanks knightmare1015. I am anticipating both with this.


Oh yeah man. You're about to have some serious fun. Here's a little tip for you. If you plan on using a submersible pump set up for your still, try to get a container that's at least 3 times bigger than your still's boiler. I use one of those large storage containers that you can get at walmart myself. It will never get too hot. When it does finally start to get there, your run is pretty much finished.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:57:29 PM(UTC)
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I have 2 30 gallon trash cans full of captured rain water that I use. when 1 starts getting a little warm, just switch the pump
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