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Offline Cajun  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:03:41 AM(UTC)
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"hello all, I am new here, but not really new to shining, we did it back in the 80's right out of high school, then we had a still made out of a beer keg.

now I got a all copper onion top 10 gal still. here's what we used to do and I got a mash going now to cook sunday.

35lbs sugar
13 lbs cracked corn
16 gal water
yeast (back in the 80's we used 3 packs Flieshmanns - this time I used prestige distillers with AG per the pack directioins for pitching.

so we put 35 lbs sugar and the corn in a brute food grade garbage can, added 4 gal hot water and dissolved the the sugar

we ran the cracked corn thru the ninja food processor just to break it up more.

then added the rest of the water to equal 16 gals

then pitched the yeast wait 10 min and stir like crazy

then we covered the can with a screen and bungy cord and put the lid laying on top (the mash can breath)

I stir it once a day and cover it back, it been doing it's thing for a week 9 days now. still rolling. we will stir it and strain out the solid/sediment and cook in batches on sunday. I recall we used to get close to 140 proof to start with then it would start dropping, this will be my first run since the 80's.

no air lock, never heard of it before - what do ya'll think??"
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:16:52 AM(UTC)
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"Well with 35 lbs of sugar you sure should get something if you take care of your yeast and your ferment goes well. Most leave a garbage can out in the woods or in the barn and to my liking that's just to warm for a happy ferment. It will work off so no worries there but keep it as cool as you can for a better end product.
You mentioned you used to get 140 proof, well the distillation device is what determines that so if this still tower is better than the last one you had it will concentrate your distillate even better and hense a higher proof starting point. But remember, make good cuts and collect in SMALL QUANTITY'S, I'm sure in highschool you didn't care what you drank but you know better now.....

Oh....and how do you figger a garbage can is ---food grade?? hehehehe"
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:00:19 AM(UTC)
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Hey Heeler, I been reading your post, you Da Man, thanks for your input, what I didn't mention is that this past sunday I used your Gold label turbo yeast 1 pack with 19 lbs of sugar and 7 gal water and it's rolling along too and I stir it once a day also, no air lock, we have 2 exact stills 1 5 gal and 1 10 gal so sunday we running 2 recipes, I ll keep ya'll posted.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:46:42 AM(UTC)
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Heeler is right. Making good cuts is just about the most important step. I'd rather a quart of good whisky than a gallon of crap. Do you plan on using the corn and yeast over again as in making UJSSM? Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:44:23 AM(UTC)
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Cajun, I was wondering are you gonna do stripping runs then spirit runs? Or are you gonna just run it slow and easy right form the start??
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#6 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:55:12 AM(UTC)
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Honky - I have never used the corn and yeast over like the UJSSM - but I plan to try it in the future.

Heeler - I plan to run it slow and easy from the start, I plan to keep some tails for the next run.

any advise you guys can give me I appreciate it!!
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#7 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:00:55 AM(UTC)
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"I'm still giggling at the first member name ---- Honky, I know he will laugh too. ( do you see it now????)

Here/Here, slow and easy, IMHO is exactly what this calls for

Dont collect in one or two big jugs, do yourself a favor and use lots and lots of smaller ones - you'll see why when you start your cutting process."
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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:22:44 AM(UTC)
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LOL, yeah I see it I meant hokey, sorry dude.

thanks Heeler, I 'll use small jars, number them and let them air for 48 hours.

But the Stirring question, should I be Stirring my mash and washes each day?

and someone mention bacteria and pollen, so do I need to Airlock? my garage keeps temps well and I keep the door closed.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:26:09 AM(UTC)
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I never stir mine after the initial start up and have an air lock on it. When it stops bubbling it's done
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#10 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:40:22 AM(UTC)
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"Ya know I never stir either, but stir if you must (but you dont need to) and the bateria idea well...it's possible, that's ONE of the reasons lots of us use airlocks. I have never been a fan of the garbage can idea but it does work it's just too big for my situation.

And you really dont need to number the jars just line em up and cover how you will cause your nose is gonna tell you whats what by the smell, you'll see. If you dont get too greedy with each collection jar and go slow it should work out fine.

And as far as the garage goes, I'm in Fl and it's just toooooo danged hot here to leave em in the garage, but if you can keep it cool well that's what matters most."
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#11 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:40:15 AM(UTC)
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hey Thanks Heeler, I am in louisiana and it's still cold here, in the summer I will move to the open air back patio, I've got a shady place back there.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:52:35 AM(UTC)
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If'n it's any thing like NE Texas, there ain' no such thing as a shady spot unless you are in the A/C in August... Wink
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#13 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:12:07 AM(UTC)
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I agree RCRED I'll have to shut it down in july cause thats when the 97 degree weather starts. can I airlock a brute garbage can? whats a air lock look like? also after reading today, I just checked both my cans and they are a fizzing, -I am NOT going to stir them today - well see on sunday
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#14 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:26:53 AM(UTC)
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the brute garbage can is a bit big for an air lock. just put the top on loose so the CO2 can escape. Anyway here's a pic of an air lock http://www.brewhaus.com/...nters-and-Parts-C97.aspx
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#15 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:27:08 AM(UTC)
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Well, you could get a lid and tape it shut, and then make a 13/16' hole - insert a bung with hole fer an airlock...and then airlock it, but as Diesel has said it prolly won't ever seal enough to matter - plastic's too soft. I actually went to the feed store and got some plastic 55 gal food grade drums that are ok for sugar washes and they do seal up good.

Or, you could do smaller ferments in Home creepo buckets which can be easily moved inside A/C'd environs for temp control during ferments... We have a 2nd master bdroom here on the opposite side of the house for the inlaws when they come for a short stay (3-4 months) Wink When they aren't here (generally in the winter), it becomes the ferment room Wink So I can get the benefit of temp control on ferments pretty much year round.. And my Husker Tomboy Wife loves the grain scents too...

Here is an example of a working airlock:
http://www.distillitrak....ure_library/IMG_1543.MOV
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#16 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:33:08 AM(UTC)
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I don't want to buy a airlock vat, but maybe the 5 gal bucket thing would work, DOES this keep the smell out your house?
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#17 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:37:25 AM(UTC)
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I don't want to buy a airlock vat, but maybe the 5 gal bucket thing would work, DOES this keep the smell out your house?
NahSah...It does not .. Sorry :) I have used the bathroom shower fan in the past to evac the smell until I was told that it smelled better than the cigars I smoke so leave it.. Wink
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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:41:31 AM(UTC)
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sorry wrong link. here's the right one http://www.brewhaus.com/Airlock-P979.aspx They work good on 5 gal buckets and very little smell if any. Some put mouthwash instead of water in it but I've never had to
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#19 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:42:41 AM(UTC)
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OMG, LOL no airlocks for me!! :-)
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#20 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:13 AM(UTC)
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Well, the "smell" is never that obtrusive to the point you'd think there's gator sh*t on the living room floor an such..For the SF's I do it's a wonderful grain smell like almost like a quality beer... Sugarhead, I never knew was in there...And it's only close in around the ferments - It's not like a 8" pipe spewing smoke into the house... If the door is closed to the room, you'll never smell it.
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