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Offline Backwash  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:04:42 PM(UTC)
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"My first post on the forum to say Hi and Thanks to Rick for letting me in on this great forum. I am just getting into the hobby and will have a bunch of questions which I am sure you all have answered many times before.
I have a little experience in beer brewing from college days. I am building my own rig from a 10 gallon SS kettle. Built a 2 in. x 36 inch column and a 36 inch condensor. Running all copper with 1/2 inch piping. Still need to build a parrot for proofing as the product comes off. will run 2 copper scrubbers in the column. Heating with propane and cooling with a recirc. pump. Would like to try a SF mash after I get things hooked up and cleaned. Still need to get a ferment barrel with lid and airlock.
My first question: what would be the working size of wash for a 10 gal kettle? Dont want to have puking problems. 2: What do you guys use for cleaning solutions that dont leave a residue but still get the job done. I use to get these tablets that you dissolved in water, but I assume the industry has come along way since then (early 80s_) Any and all comments are welcome, Thanks."
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:18:28 PM(UTC)
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Greetings, and welcome!

Most times, a good vinegar/water cleaning run will suffice on new equipment, but if it's dirty, maybe two Wink

As for the puking, most boilers want a couple of inches of head space, maybe more depending...I go about 9 gals to my 15 gal boiler, but I am conservative...I'm sure the fella's will be along with more feedback here shortly..
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:30:03 PM(UTC)
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Welcome Backwash. Vinegar and H2O is fine for cleaning runs. If you meant sanitizing I use Starsan. I never had a problem with just hot water and liquid dish soap though. Rinse, rinse rinse. I have a 15 gal boiler also and I run 12 gals. 10 gal pot I would not worry about running a 7.5 to 8 gal wash. Have fun and be safe.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:17:22 AM(UTC)
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"RC Red and Hokey, Thanks for the replies. Since you all have conciderable experience in distilling, what do you think of the sizing and setup of my Still? I just guessed at the column height and I figured the bigger the condensor the better.
On the SF wash, is this just a sugar wash flavored with grain or should i cook and convert the grain and add a bit less sugar. Seems like there is wasted sugar in the unconverted grain. B."
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#5 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:16:59 AM(UTC)
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For the Sweet Feed - I recommend the tried and tested recipe listed on this forum:
http://www.brewhausforum...?2711-Sweet-Feed-Whiskey

Your setup seems fine. Since it's a custom build, you will have to make a few runs to see how she's gonna play wif ya. I recommend sugar washes or even some cheap wine to brandy runs for that... Some effort goes into the SF recipe and it's a shame to lose that effort due to a mishap or something accidentally coming off the rails - I only say this from my own experiences- In no way am I suggesting anything else BigGrin

As for considerable experience, let's not start tossing babies up in the air BigGrin
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#6 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:40:28 AM(UTC)
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I treat my SF the same as UJSSM. Just using it for flavor and making multiple generations
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#7 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:02:12 PM(UTC)
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Hi Backwash. After you do your cleaning run you should do a "sacraficial" run. An alcohol wash acts differently than water. I usually suggest just a simple sugar wash for that run. Not so much wasted effort as with sweet feed. Some people use cheap box wine which is what I did but I often get box wine for zilch. Use that run to get to know your still. Like dieselduo said the Sweet feed is just there for the flavor. I would try one or two runs without trying to convert the grain before you get into trying a mash. Just a suggestion. Good luck and have fun
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#8 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 3:10:29 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks guys, I will run the vinegar/water flush and then my sacrificial run. Does the volume of the sacrificial run make a difference? I have some old wines that could be used but I dont think I have 8 gallons.
On the fermenter vessel, i see some guys using a carboy like i did for beer and some just leave in a big barrel for the whole ferment. Any advantage for either method? Thanks, B."
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#9 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 3:56:19 AM(UTC)
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A gallon of wine+gallon of water, is plenty.. Wink

As far as a glass carboy, fine for sugar washes, not so good on grain washes .. Pain in the ass to get the grain out after wards....
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#10 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 6:54:24 AM(UTC)
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"RCRed, Thanks, I have more than enough junk wine to do the job. So a food grade bucket say 10 gallon with a lid and airlock will work just fine and can i just keep it in the barrel until transfer to the pot for firing? A few look like they transfer to secondary then to the still. Seems like a lot more work.
I have questions about how to seal the kettle lid. I see dough seals, gaskets made of plastic and special rubber for food. and how to clamp down so I dont blow up the shack. Any ideas? Thanks, B"
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#11 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 7:23:40 AM(UTC)
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Heya B

most Food grade buckets wif lids will have an Rubber O-ring in the lid - Not all as some use a wedge form, but the Home Creepo orange buckets w/lids all do and they stay sealed. I get about 4-5 ferments outa a lid before I inevitably crack it and pull another from the stash.. But, they are cheap lids and one can harvest the O-Ring from a cracked one for future use.

And let me clarify - If one is doing a grain wash it needs to be racked to another clean buckit and not left on the grain/yeast bed (aka "lees") - off flavors can happen in some cases..so, once a ferment is done and settled, I rack it to a separate bucket till I have a still chargin' moment.. I do the same for my sugar washes... Now, that's just my way at things... Not the rule..

Yes, I have a number of orange buckets.
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#12 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 7:26:29 AM(UTC)
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"If you post some pics of your unit it sure would be easier to get idea's on the seal. And if there is no blockage of any kind blowin up the shack just cant happen, I know on the show moonshiners they always make it a point to show the rock on top and mention blowin a cap but with todays units and proper useage you would have to do something very wrong to make that happen. I have heard more folks complain about leaks than enough back pressure to blow up the shack. Anything is possible tho.....

of course that is not taking into consideration the possibility of a gas leak but that's another story.."
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#13 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 7:34:12 AM(UTC)
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of course that is not taking into consideration the possibility of a gas leak but that's another story..
Tex-Mex can cause this condition in humans to the point of becoming an explosion hazard in the stilin' shed Wink Ventilate well to avoid Silent, But Deadly releases...
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hahaha.....I think thats prolly the OTHER reason I use electric...
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 9:11:32 AM(UTC)
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"Guys, my pot is a 10 gallon brew kettle, like a big soup pot. has a raised lip that just sits on the lip of the pot. My column is 2 inch and the rest is 1/2 inch copper tube so i feel backpressure is minimal. I think i need to have a better seal on the kettle top with some clamps to hold it down. The condensor weight and coolant tubes will be enough to tip the lid.
As far as the Tex-Mex issue. I have been known to clear a room. Maybe a Beano for the brewer would help that also. B."
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#16 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 10:30:24 AM(UTC)
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Maybe a Beano for the brewer would help that also. B.
No Sport Wink :)

You need a strong seal as this is a pressure vessel. If your boiler assembly leaks anywhere betwixt the lid or along the column, you can lose vapor which is explosive or a the very least intoxicating to breathe - Yes one can get enough gas to affect one's judgement...
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#17 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 12:13:34 PM(UTC)
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RCRed, Understood and this was my question. What do stillers use on their kettle pots to seal the lids. I can fabricate a gasket if I know what kind of material to use that will not affect the wash flavor. B.
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#18 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 12:55:00 PM(UTC)
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People have used silicone cookie sheets cut to size and the lid clamped with spring clamps. Like real heavy duty paper clips. Also cardboard. Not the corrugated kind. Just like real heavy card stock. Cut to size and wrapped well with PTFE plumbers tape and clamped the same way.
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#19 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 3:00:07 PM(UTC)
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Hokey, Thanks for the tip. I can make up a couple of these and have on hand for later runs. B
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