logo                   
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Login


Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Guest  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:35:44 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

How do you cool your system?

One fellow I know says he hooks one end up to a water tap, through his column and then out through the other end to a sprinkler and waters his lawn while he distills. Not a bad idea but I imagine running a sprinkler for six hours can not only be costly but could possibly flood your lawn.

I use a double sink system whereby I have one igloo cooler filled with cold water that is pumped into the unit then out to a second igloo cooler that has a copper coil ,wort chiller, in it which is iced down. So the water flows through the iced wort chiller and is redeposited back into the first cooler cold. It works GREAT but you do have to monitor the ice. I go through several bags of ice in a run. That part is a real pain.

UserPostedImage UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage UserPostedImage

There has to be a better way. How do you folks do yours? Any ideas??
Guest  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:05:24 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

Hmm. That looks a bit over-complicated to me. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just combine those into one tub. So long as the water has to go through the chiller first, you should get a pretty efficient heat-exchange regardless of whether or not the pump was in the same container as the chiller or not.

As to better ways, I'm sure there are some, but that depends on what you mean by 'better'. Think of it this way. In order to distill, you have to put a BUNCH of energy into heating the liquid up to vaporization, and then you have to take just as much energy back in order to condense it back down again. Be this in the heat energy necessary to convert ice to water or the electricity necessary to power an active cooling system, you still have to spend it. Even if you use nature to help you, you still need energy. Lets say, for instance, that you have a complex system of little pipes that spreads the water coming from your still into a large, thin waterfall that then plummets 20 feet, giving most of its heat energy back to the air. You would still need to spend energy pumping it up 20 feet against the force of gravity.

Now, if you, personally, want to save energy ,spent in picking up, moving and replacing the ice, for instance,, you could create some kind of active cooling system. You could, in theory, use an active vapor phase cooling system from a refridgerator or something, but you'd be exchanging the energy necessary to make the ice for the electrical energy needed to power the cooler.

Give and take ;,
Guest  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:00:40 PM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

AJ:
Thanks for the feedback.

I use two coolers because I want to keep the ice seperate from the pump. I don't want anything but clear clean water going through my pump. The extra cooler was cheaper than buying a new pump should something in the ice or the dumping operation get caught in the pump and muck it up. This acomplishes that task.

I'm not really concerned with the energy ,per se, I am using, it's the amount of ice that I am going through. For a 25L batch I use about 27 lbs of ice. Okay that's only $3 so what's the big deal, right? Well nothing really I'm just fishing for other ideas. Like my heating coil system, I would like to find something that I could just set and not have to monitor.

I like the idea of an active vapor phase cooling system but to be honest that might be a bit over my head. Have you built something like this? If so can you upload some photos?

I saw a diagram in a book I read where the return water actually runs over a washboard, which is kind of like your waterfall idea. That might be worth investigating, but where the heck does one find a washboard anymore?

Which system do you use?
Guest  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:48:49 PM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

elricko,
hi, thanks for the response about the 15.5 gallon keg. your cooling systems is pretty dang nice. i was just wondering what kind of pump you use on this unit???? if you know could you include gph and max heigth???? thanks again.
buzzman
Guest  
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:53:14 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

buzzman:
I bought a Via Aqua 2300 off ebay. It is the same pump that Brewhaus and Mile-Hi sell except it pumps 609 GPH instead of the 315 GPH they sell. Via Aqua also has a 907 GPH model if you really want power. The flow rates are adjustible so you don't have to worry about getting too much power.

As you can see from my pictures I have it on a table so height isn't a problem, but I wouldn't hestiate to pump my 609 GPH five or six feet. If height is a worry pop for the 907 GPH model. It may be overkill but you REALLY won't have to worry.

When I bought mine in March I paid $19.95 + $10 shipping brand new. I don't know what they are sellng for now, but it is worth twice that price. The unit is really well built, comes with all kinds of set-up adaptors, and is very quiet.
Guest  
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:48:36 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

Elricko, I have not, as of today, been successful in finding S.S. bushings to weld to a keg for my electric heaters. Can you recall exactly what you called them when looking on the internet? I have found several Stainless fittings, but am not sure if I ordered them that I would get what I need.

Also, when I ordered the tri clamp from Brewhaus, there was an 'O'ring' and a 'gasket' listed in the parts list. On your advice, I ordered 5 of each. I'm just not sure which one will be needed to make the connection. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Chas.
Guest  
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:53:45 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

Oh yeah, for my cooling I use a water hose hooked to the cooling coil. One in with an adjusting valve inline, and one out. The one out is placed around trees that almost always could use water in the my area. It doesn't seem to use a terrible lot of water since it is adjusted to a very small stream. I can tell if I have it on enough by feeling the bare outlet pipe. If it is starting to get warm, I simply open the valve.

Chas.
Guest  
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:42:59 PM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

clove100:
I didn't order the stainless steel bushings from the internet. I took my keg and the coils to a local welder and told him what I wanted to do ,I told him it was for making beer,. He ordered the bushings from McJunkin Corp. Sorry I can't tell you what the part number is. If you have a welder in your area I am sure they could get it for you. This guy didn't even blink an eye, he knew exactly what to order. The bushings cost $8 each and he charged me $25 to punch the holes and weld them in. This wasn't a friend of mine or anyone I knew. He was just a welder I found driving down the road.

Thanks for the info about how you run your cooler. If I did that here it would probably work in the summer but come winter I'd have an ice rink.
Guest  
#9 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:44:43 PM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

Clove100:
Okay, after a little more looking on the internet about the bushings. McJunkins web page have an 800 number,1-800-624-8603,. Maybe you can call them, explain what you need and they can send you the part or tell you where they sell them in your area.

Also I'm 99% positive that if you call Paul at 1-248-425-5165 you could buy them from him. But I have no idea what he will charge.
Guest  
#10 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:19:01 PM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

For the 1' Half couplings, go to mcmaster.com. Choose pipe and fittingsstainlesscouplingshalf coupling1'. The low pressure 304 stainless half coupling is $5.06.
Guest  
#11 Posted : Friday, July 14, 2006 1:57:42 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

Bill:

Good source. Thanks!
Guest  
#12 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2006 5:29:36 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

This cooling system is one of the best that I have ever witnessed. I will be incorporating this into my system very shortly...What do you think Elricko? This system looks very complicated but it really is not.
Guest  
#13 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2006 8:23:36 AM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

I've changed the system since I first posted this. I have now re-routed the hoses using two hose splitters. The results are astounding. I only use 6 gallons of cooling water and don't use any ice at all in a 25liter batch. To see a diagram of the new system and how/why it works go to:

http://tvbeer.com/cool1.htm

I usually keep two 2 liter coke bottles of frozen water avaliable just in case, but I haven't needed them yet.

The next time I use the system I will take some photos and post them on that web page. Enjoy!

Cheers!
Guest  
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:33:26 PM(UTC)
Guest

Rank: Guest

Groups: Guests
Joined: 2/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 5,254

Okay guys, in case you are interested I've posted photos of the way I ran my hoses in the new re-circulating cooling system. It certainly seems to run the system better. Check it out at:

http://tvbeer.com/cool1.htm
Users browsing this topic
Guest (5)
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.