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#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:40:57 AM(UTC)
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My mash is still cloudy after adding clearing agent 24 hours ago.....Should I wait another 24 hours????
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:32:53 AM(UTC)
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I don't know about everyone else, but I always wait two or three days after I put in the clearing agent. It's usually pretty clear by day two but really clear by day three. Which agent are you using?
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:25:00 PM(UTC)
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From my experience with winemaking it takes a couple days to clarify. I usually de-gas the wash by agitating with a paint mixer on a cordless drill. Yes, I actually put a paint mixer in a drill and 'stir' my wash to cause it to release the suspended CO2. I then add my clarifier, wait a couple days ,3 up to a week,, then rack off from the new sediment. The de-gassing seems to make the settling process more efficient.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:51:48 PM(UTC)
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Day 3 after adding clearing agent and mash is still cloudy....not as bad as 1st 2 days but still not what I would call clear...Any thoughts
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#5 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:03:48 AM(UTC)
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I use Super-Kleer. Which clearing agent did you use?
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#6 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:28:02 AM(UTC)
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i used the 2 part clearing agent
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#7 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:44:44 AM(UTC)
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Can the mash be cleared by simply putting it covered into the beer fridge? I am new to this, and have 1 gallon of a 6 gallon batch ,my carboy is only 5 gallons, in the fridge, and it to has 'cleared' somewhat, but is still cloudy. It has been in the fridge for 4 days now, and has cleared up a lot, and you can see through it, but it is still a 'hazy' clear.

Will simple cold work, or do I need to add a clearing agent?

Jim.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:49:00 AM(UTC)
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time/cold should work... a clearing agent is never ABSOLUTELY necessary... but it will go a BUNCH faster with one and i recommend using an agent.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:53:00 AM(UTC)
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What would happen if you were to go ahead and distill while its cloudy?
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#10 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:57:01 AM(UTC)
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i dont know from experience, but i believe i've read that it yields a slightly burnt taste when distilled. someone correct me if that is incorrect.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:07:00 AM(UTC)
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I just ordered Clearing Agent- Sparkolloid 30001518 when do I add it?
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#12 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:11:01 AM(UTC)
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after fermentation, before distilling. i also use sparkalloid... it works great ,package says 24 horus, i usually give 36-48 just for good measure,
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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:29:00 AM(UTC)
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Great, thank you. I use Irish Moss to clarify when I brew ,added during the boil, I wonder if that will work in this situation? Has anyone tried this?
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:33:00 AM(UTC)
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i haven't, nor have i heard of it being done. however, that doesn't mean it can't work.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:45:44 PM(UTC)
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Kevin,

My advice is to clear each batch. I made a batch awhile back that I didn't clear first. The end product was a little too sweet. I did indeed start getting a burnt smell at the end but I had already gone into tails by that time so it didn't affect the batch. I threw the tails into my next batch and that was then end of the bad smell. However!

I use a 1500W electric heating coil which screws into my keg. I remove it after each session to clean it and found that after the batch I didn't clear, there was a burnt build up on the coil. I have heard of others having a coil burst from that very thing so I'm really glad I checked and cleaned it off. That doesn't happen when I clear it first.

I would imagine it could build up on the bottom of your keg as well. If you have a still that used the regular sankey top like I do, it would be a bear to try to clean that stuff from the bottom and once it was burnt on and may cause future batches to have problems.

I've never heard of anyone using Irish Moss, Isinglass, or Polyclar as a clearing agent for hooch. The turbo yeast is much heartier than beer yeast so I would be a bit surprized if it worked but I guess it's worth a try. Let us know how it works out for you.

I have used Sparkloid and it works fine. I prefer Super-Kleer because it works great, it's cheep, and is easy to use ,no mixing or boiling,. They both take two or three days to fully work.
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#16 Posted : Friday, August 11, 2006 2:28:09 AM(UTC)
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What would happen if you were to go ahead and distill while its cloudy?

I went ahead with the 1 gallon ,slightly less, that I had already semi cleared. I only have a 1 gallon water distiller, and siphoned off the top and put in the distiller. About 45 minutes later ,the mash was 5c starting temp,, I started seeing some output. I capped off the first 20ml or so ,it was VERY sweet,, and continued. I output about 20oz and it tested about 70%, then pulled in an extra 12oz at 45%. The 2nd set has a much stronger 'paint thinner' smell to it. The first 20oz is drinkable as it is ,similar to taste to cheap 80proof rotgut vodka, but much stronger,. I think I got almost all of the ethanol out of it. I was computing at about 16% ,unfortunately I did not compute starting hydro weight so I am not 100% sure,. At 16% starting mash content, I compute about 19.2 oz ethanol ,120 oz starting mash,, and my result computes to 19.4 oz, so I think I got most of it.

So my observations were that the cleared ,but not clear, mash worked out just fine ,in my simple pot still,. Note while clearing with cold/time, I certainly DID see a definate clearing line within the containers ,they were clear glass,. I did not notice a 'bad' smell from the distillation, nor does the product smell/taste burnt.

Now, it is possible that I had cleared 'enough', but something like disolved CO2 or something like that was keeping things cloudy?

Also note, the 1 gallon water distiller does work, but I am sure that the hooch produced is far from the quality of a good fractional column. However, for me just starting out, I plan on multiple distilling and running through a 1.5m activated carbon column ,as documented by Gert,.

Jim.
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#17 Posted : Friday, August 11, 2006 3:43:00 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Elricko,

I do have a small amount of discoloration on the bottom of my keg that I will make sure I scrub off before the next batch, fortunately the hole in the top is 8' across so its easy to reach inside. As far as the irish moss, I don't think Ill reinvent the wheel, I'll stick with the Sparkolloid until I run out then switch to super-kleer.

Thanks again.

K

PS a short length of stainless or chrome chain works great for cleaning the inside of a keg with a sankey fitting.
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#18 Posted : Friday, August 11, 2006 3:51:22 AM(UTC)
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From most everything I have read, if you are using a reflux column and a sugar wash, there really is no need to worry about the ferment being too clear. I anyone has heard anything much diffrent, lets hear it!
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#19 Posted : Friday, August 11, 2006 7:18:24 AM(UTC)
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I do use a reflux column and a sugar wash and I stand by my statement. Take the extra step and clear it. Trust me, it's worth it in the long run.
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#20 Posted : Friday, August 11, 2006 5:13:54 PM(UTC)
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maybe this has been addressed before, ive not had time to read all posts.

Does using egg white and salt as a clearing agent work for mash? Winerys do it for red wine.
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