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Offline Dman  
#1 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 8:30:49 AM(UTC)
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"Does anyone have any experience using prickly pair (the cactus fruit) for wine making? I"m trying to figure out how to process the fruit. Some people recommend juicing, others using the entire chopped fruit, skin and all.
Should I be worried the seeds imparting off flavors or any sort of wild yeasts in the skin?

Thoughts anyone?

I"ve been distilling for a few years and am now trying my hand at wines. Still figuring out the kinks."
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#2 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 1:44:08 PM(UTC)
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Im pretty sure that some people actually burn the prickers off and filter late to be sure those prickers dont get in their wine bottles. I would imagine the seeds would give an off taste and would not recommend thm being in the must while fermenting.
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#3 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 3:40:58 PM(UTC)
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"Thanks Wade,

I burn the thorn as well (love eating the stuff). so should I mash, strain and them make some sort of syrup from it with sugar?"
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:17:26 PM(UTC)
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I have never seen this fruit before so youll have to decide. It most likely would do fine just cut up and put into the fermenter with 1 galln of boiling water poured over it. Make sure to use pectic enzyme in any fruit batch as it will help break down the cellular structure of the fruit rendering more flavor and color extarction.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:48:33 PM(UTC)
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"My mother cooked it for me as a kid and it was good.

However, wondering if it is like agave, onions, sweet taters, jerusalem artichokes and such. As a cactus, i would think perhaps it is innulin instead of sugar. Will make a great brew, but if i am not mistaken it would have to be roasted or baked first. What they make tequila and such out of. I have read posts of it being used, so search archives here and home distiller. org, and new distiller . org. It has been done and you will find your answer."
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:39:55 PM(UTC)
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Check out this site and bookmark as he is the "Godfather" of wine making alhough I dont agree with a lot of his sugar additions as they tend to have very igh starting gravities resulting in wines with very high ab that usually hidesa lot of fruit flavor.

http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/prickly.asp
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#7 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:33:54 AM(UTC)
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"I made prickly pear wine many, many years ago and won first prize with it in our winemaking club. I use three pounds of sugar and three pounds of fruit to one gallon of water and fermented with GP wine yeast. The colour will be fantastic and a very nice wine.

Removal of the spikes is your problem, but well worth the effort.

blanik"
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#8 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:39:56 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks Wade, that link was very helpful.
I"m still left with a bit of a concern. It"s going to be a bit of a hassle to get that much fruit and I"d hate to waste it.
The link you sent seems to waste an awful lot of fruit material, while I saw other links mentioning fermenting the entire fruit chopped skin and all. The range is quite extreme.
I think I"m pretty set in terms of process, it"s the fruit preparation I"m having trouble with locking down.
I guess I"ll have to try and see. I"ll let you guys know how it turns out."
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#9 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:42:29 AM(UTC)
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"Hey Blanik,

Missed your post before I sent mine. I"m not too worried about the thorns, used to eat them often as a kid, I"m more concerned about preparing the fruit for fermentation.
How did you prepare yours? Seeds and all, or just the strained juice?"
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#10 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:46:12 PM(UTC)
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"BD. You sound by far the most experianced here with cactus. So question: Is this not an innulin based sugar? Do you not need to bake or boil it to invert or release it like blue agave? Tequila, mescale?

I am ignorant about this except for some reading.

If so, then does take a lot of pounds of the fruits of prickly pear to produce a gallon of quality product without added sugar to up the OG? Diluted taste.

If yoou don't have a quality wine, mash or great essence for a neutral, than you are stuck with ""La Boons a Farma"", Feb. 09, Was a great month.

Jp.

PS. Have you tried the millet yet?"
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#11 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:04:58 PM(UTC)
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"Two answers here.
Millet Whisky. I have indeed finished some millet, mtn and she's a bloody bewdy. Oaking at the moment on toasted and untoasted oak. Not a lot of colour yet but it's going to be a nice whisky. I did three washes and used 25% backset in the second and third ferments similar to UJSM. I lightly crushed the grain but didn't remove spent grain before adding more to the fermenter. Bit of a mistake I think and next run I will remove as much as I add. I'll go and taste it in a minute. I have a lot of millet to go so if it ever cools down here I'll run some more. A great whisky recipe. Thanks. :) I'm going to try the same with some steamed rolled oats shortly


Prickly pear. When I made the wine I was a complete newbie and just through the fruit in a fermenter and crushed the living shit out of it. Seeds, skins and all, especially the skins then added sugar and water. I had no idea about innulin at the time and you have raised a good question. The actual wine was a huge success and I would recommend it to anyone. As for distilling it, I didn't even know about distilling in the 60's but, I currently have my eye on some growing in the bush, which I will harvest and distill. I'm interested in Dman's results.

blanik"
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#12 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2009 12:23:56 PM(UTC)
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"BD.

I think you are going to enjoy one of the best treats of your distilling carreer when that Millet ages. Did you use the white Proso? I haven't tried any of the others yet, but thats what is used as feedstock here instead of just waterway control and hay.

Now for the oats. This is the opposite. An extremely mild flavor, that beats any other white. This is way far the favorite of all the ladies, and men too that want a mild flavored mixed drink, hide your breathe, etc/ some say, it makes the very best martini in the world.

Here is my experiance: My very first runs with the oats was I think from 4way after spending 6 months of searching for a recipe. He suggested rolled oats and thats where I began. Bought 50#'s of rolled oats and started 2 mashes. Just like oatmeal made very thick porridge. Mashed it with enzymes, thinned a bit. Fermented , and it went well. Collection time- I got a gal. off the top, put the rest into a 5 gal. nylon paint strainer bag, mashed, squeezed, twitsted for 24 hours trying to get it out. They both soured.

I then found a sale on organic de'hulled oat verries. Also, a bag of horse oats. Tried them both. Very seriously, the oat berries were the best. Easy crack in my crankenstien. Thing to consider is that the oat berries and other grains as well, are almost double the amount of actual grain without the hulls. Cleaner and much easier to crack. Bit harder to rack though, but not really in the long run.

for me worked fantastic. Easy, can use as UJSM or full mash, or sweetened mash.

Maybe you will do better with the rolled oats than I did. Hope so at least if you go that route."
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#13 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2009 1:06:25 PM(UTC)
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OK. Thanks MW. Maybe add a bit of crushed barley? What do you think?
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