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Im wondering if I can use the "spent" wash I normally toss out in my next batch of Sugar wash/Turbo yeast?
Or is fresh water/sugar the best?
Is there anyway I can keep the turbo yeast going and going? Or would a person need to start from fresh everytime?
Seems a waste tossing this stuff out? Is there anything I can do with leftover used wash?
I noticed it turned abit brown when I ran it off andit seems abit sweet still?
thnx:)
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Sure you can reuse the yeast but have no idae about the wash, I highly dought there is anything left usable in there if you fermented it dry.
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"I thought maybe adding some sugar about 6kg instead of 8kg and add some fresh water to top it up and a brand new pkg of Turbo Yeast 20%?
Normally my wash smells like salt and baking soda,lol. This time it seems like theres some sugar left?"
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"That yeast is specially designed for a turbo. Yes, you can reuse it, but you will have to add nutrients, energizers, acid buffers et all. And it won't be the best brand of yeast for that. If going to add all the above a .85 packege of yeast would be a better bet.
As for the spent stillage, I wouldn't use it for a sugar wash. You want as neutral as it gets, and that is pretty acidic also. Good practice for some grain washes though."
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I just now am trying a recipe where you mix cracked corn, sugar, amlaese enzyme, yeast and let it work. Distill it, save the distialite, take 1.5 gallons of the wash and add more sugar, let it cool, and put it back in the corn in the fermentor. Let it work until it stops. Now siphen off the liquid again, add the achool from the first dsitlling, and re-distill the whole batch. I was told this should give you a a good corn flavor. This is called a sour mash recipe. I'm doing my second distilling this weekend, so we'll see how it turns out.
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"mroe, you are useing the UJSM recipe. Works great. You need to use AG enzlyme instead of amylase. Try the distillers yeast with AG. Discard all the grey corn off the top layer after racking, and add same volume back.
Here are 2 differences I use with good results. I add a pack of 3 in 1 enzyme to the following ferments along with the backset. Also, 3 tbs. of yeast nutrient to the total ferment. quicker, faster, cleaner. Even though the major ferment finishes quicker, I don't rush it. I let the amyloglocodase do its thing and get a heck of a lot more sweet corn flavor. At the same time the yeast are converting some of the acytlyles.
I find I get way more flavor this way, and almost double and sometimes tripple the corn conversion."
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Okay, thanks for the advise. I just followed the recipe I had, it didn't say what kind of yeast, and I've had people steering me away from Turbo yeast. So I used some I got from Brewhaus called Prestige WD. It is specificly for corn, and grains it has Amylogucosidase in it. So I guess I didn't have to use the enzymes after all. HMMM? I'm using a reflux still with copper mesh and the condensor is water cooled. I leave the mesh out on the first distill. Plus I'm tossing the first 100ML and saving the rest down to 40%. I've been drinking some plain, and also been burning a stick of white oak 3/4x3/4x4 with a torch. I then toss that in a quart of 90% for a week or so, then dilute it down to 80 proof. Does that sound about right?
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"MROE. All is going well with your ferment. For your distilling on the spirit run, get rid of all or almost all of your mesh.
Distill slow and make much more conservative cuts. Don't know the volumes of your spirit runs, but start to learn by taste, touch and smell. Seperate the foreshots about 100ml for grains as charcoal starter or such. Then heads in small jars like beer bottles half full, up to a litre. then same for the hearts, numbering each jar. Keep testing the ABV as you go along, and when you reach around 70% ABV mark and continue to collect in small jars. Let cool and breath overnight with a bit of tissue over each.
Next day, smell and sample each jar. Just a drop or 2 each. You will find a definate shift in smell and flavors. Only keep the very cleanest and best. All the rest is not lost, but will be added to later runs which will impart better flavors to them. Meanwhile, you have some very wonderful hearts to age or drink white. The heads and tail you eliminated would have made it quite harsh relatively. Enjoy."
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Okay, thanks for the advise. One question though, then what is the thumper jar for, in a reflux still? I was told I am to through out the first 100 ml, then put enough ditilitit in the thumper jar to cover the bottom tube. This allows the vapor to bubble though the liquid and the copper mesh, then into the condenser, and out to my quart catch jar. What does the mesh affect? I understand about cathcing the middles, etc. I measure the ABV every time I get enough to float my tester.
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I live next door to a feed company so corn and stuff is in abundant but my concern is were do I dump it without people knowing? With turbo yeast I toss the spent portion of the wash down the drain. Its very simple, maybe im missing something with the corn?
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" Originally Posted by: colt122  I live next door to a feed company so corn and stuff is in abundant but my concern is were do I dump it without people knowing? With turbo yeast I toss the spent portion of the wash down the drain. Its very simple, maybe im missing something with the corn? Lucky you. Birds love the used grain, even if just on a platform on a pole. Or in a small compost pile, or in a buried hole in the ground to compost and build up the soil. If on sewerage line, you could just flush it. Waste though."
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