logo                   
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Login


Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline Tod  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10:28 AM(UTC)
Tod


Rank: Junior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/28/2009(UTC)
Posts: 19

"I was wondering if (1) when using turbo 48 and 18% mash is an 70 deg room ok or do I need to heat mash. (2) What water to use in the mash and diluting down after distilling, distilled, spring etc.

Tod"
Offline mtnwalker2  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:37:57 AM(UTC)
mtnwalker2


Rank: Senior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/22/2005(UTC)
Posts: 817

"
Originally Posted by: Tod Go to Quoted Post
I was wondering if (1) when using turbo 48 and 18% mash is an 70 deg room ok or do I need to heat mash. (2) What water to use in the mash and diluting down after distilling, distilled, spring etc.

Tod


Welcome Tod.

That temp. is fine. If the floor is colder, put the fermenter on some 2X4's or something to allow the warm air to circulate underneath it. The yeast will actually build some extra heat.

Any good drinking water is good, as long as it is de-chlorinated. Best not to use flouridated also.

FYI, you are makeing a wash. A mash is made with grains and is much more involved.

You will enjoy this craft!"
Offline Tod  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:18:11 AM(UTC)
Tod


Rank: Junior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/28/2009(UTC)
Posts: 19

"
Originally Posted by: mtnwalker2 Go to Quoted Post
Welcome Tod.

That temp. is fine. If the floor is colder, put the fermenter on some 2X4's or something to allow the warm air to circulate underneath it. The yeast will actually build some extra heat.

Any good drinking water is good, as long as it is de-chlorinated. Best not to use flouridated also.

FYI, you are makeing a wash. A mash is made with grains and is much more involved.

You will enjoy this craft!


TY mtnwalker2

My new pro II HC keg kit is on the way but only have done wine and all grain mash beer before this (thus the mash slip lol), city water is fine with wine, and beer is fine with full boil, so I will probably use spring water for the first wash.....(see I got it right thiis time hehe), and learn from there, now to study even more on temps, and when to cut heads and tails. Just looking to make make a neutral product to start with.

Tod"
Offline mtnwalker2  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:43:55 PM(UTC)
mtnwalker2


Rank: Senior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/22/2005(UTC)
Posts: 817

"
Originally Posted by: Tod Go to Quoted Post
TY mtnwalker2

My new pro II HC keg kit is on the way but only have done wine and all grain mash beer before this (thus the mash slip lol), city water is fine with wine, and beer is fine with full boil, so I will probably use spring water for the first wash.....(see I got it right thiis time hehe), and learn from there, now to study even more on temps, and when to cut heads and tails. Just looking to make make a neutral product to start with.

Tod


Best choice you could have made. Presume you are useing propane or natural gas? This is my setup also, and first thing I learned after a few dismall attempts was to insulate. Primarily the column for quality, but also the keg for energy saveing and much faster heat up. Not too close to the bottom though as heat issues. I use fiberglass so not much worry about fire.

Plenty of people here to help you, so just ask if you have problems or questions.

Also get yourself several cups of clean gravel, broken glass, ceramic unglazed pottery or such to act as boiling chips. I always added a roll of pennies as well.

Cheers"
Offline ratflinger  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:14:04 PM(UTC)
ratflinger


Rank: Advanced Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 8/17/2008(UTC)
Posts: 424

I do all my work with my own water, but I have a well, so no chlorine, fluoride, or any other additives, just good old limestone hard water. When I cut the product down to drinking levels I use distilled or purified water, I don't want the water to add any taste.
Offline just_me  
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:13:33 AM(UTC)
just_me


Rank: Advanced Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 3/17/2007(UTC)
Posts: 167

"hi
welcome to the hobby. i have never had a problem with tap water in a turbo 48. in Dallas we have chloramine (misspell?). same with the rum turbo."
Offline Tod  
#7 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:46:38 AM(UTC)
Tod


Rank: Junior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/28/2009(UTC)
Posts: 19

"Thank you all for the advice.

Just_me and Ratflinger, I have lost faith in the city tap, if you leave it in a glass for a couple weeks it grows a pink slime.....YUCK!.

mtnwalker2, I will be using propane jet burner, plenty of btu's, but will clamp insulation to stabilize and save energy, especially now that it is getting cool out, and will also drop something into the still break up bubbles. Do you run 50 liters at a time or stick to 25, and how long does it take to run a high reflux/purity batch?

Just_me, my son lives in Keller, Tx. which just also happens to be the home of Brewhaus..., you can probably distill down there in the summer with out any additional heat source lol!

Tod"
Offline flyboytr  
#8 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:42:28 AM(UTC)
flyboytr


Rank: Junior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 3/16/2007(UTC)
Posts: 52

Tod,
Welcome to the Brewhaus Forum. You'll find good folks here that will answer your questions...without all the noise and chatter!OhMyGod

I run a PS II HC as well. Mounted to a 15.5 gallon keg. I think that most folks do a stripping run first...and I recommend that you do the same. By doing this, you get to use your equipment for the first time, without the worries of making good cuts, etc. (still throw away the first 200-300cc's...foreshots). This first stripping run will also allow you some hand holding time with your new unit! Store your stripped brew (low wines) with some salt and soda for a few days...then prepare to do a polishing run. With this, you will add distilled water to the low wines (you can also do this while storing) and distill everything again. You get a much better product this way and the cuts are much easier to make.

On the advise of MtnWalker, I am no longer trying for the 18%ABV with the Turbo48. Dropping the sugar to 15 pounds seems to make for a cleaner wash...and better final results.

And again...Welcome!:)
Offline mtnwalker2  
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:37:36 PM(UTC)
mtnwalker2


Rank: Senior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/22/2005(UTC)
Posts: 817

"Tod,

Flyboy's advice is right on. I always use the keg, unless I do a smaller brandy batch that the 25L pot is more appropriate.

For the keg, with the HC unit and propane, I find my average to be between 7 and 9 hours Max. Those longer runs are when I am dedicated to get all the heads out at a very slow pace, with tons of reflux. Also depends on the season, as I use spring water gravity flow, and the temp. of the water can vary dramatically. And the seson. Several years ago, I had the whole dang thing freeze up in the top reflux setup while still giveing plenty of heat. I didn't have the column insulated properly that time and the temp dropped almost 30° F in just a few hours.

You will develope a fine touch in adjusting the heat up range, the head range and the hearts run. It is both the heat input and water volume and water temp. that affect good reflux. A bit of practice and you will get a good feel for it.

Good tip, get a good digital thermometer for the top, with an alarm. Suggest one with a remote senser and alarm. Gives you a little more freedom and control. Best though is to get a good book, or laptop and be right there with the baby as she's conceiveing. This can be dangerous!"
Offline Tod  
#10 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 3:20:40 AM(UTC)
Tod


Rank: Junior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/28/2009(UTC)
Posts: 19

"Thank you all again for all your advice. My first wash has finished fermenting, I added sparkloid as per directions and let it settle for about 3 days, I then racked to a carboy although most of the trub was left in the fermenter it still has a haze to it kind of like white wine. The haze is clearing very slowly, but at this rate will take weeks to get fully cleared.
My big question is do i need to wait on the secondary clearing or can I strip it while it is still hazy?
Thank you all again for all your advice.

Tod"
Offline mtnwalker2  
#11 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 3:55:26 AM(UTC)
mtnwalker2


Rank: Senior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/22/2005(UTC)
Posts: 817

"Tod,

I would go ahead and strip it.

Heres a good and helpful trick. If its cool or cold at nights- or daytime, as soon as it finishes fermenting set it outside for up to 12 hours, less if heavy freezing. Then bring it in and sparkaloid it. Really speeds it up.

If its cold enough, I will occasionally go out and lift and drain the icy slush as it forms, drain all liquid back into fermenter and discard the ice. Like old time freeze distilling. This will concentrate your wash considerably."
Offline Tod  
#12 Posted : Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:35:11 PM(UTC)
Tod


Rank: Junior Member

Reputation:

Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/28/2009(UTC)
Posts: 19

"I stripped my first 40L of wash today. I collected just shy of 3 gallons total and stopped at 96deg C . I threw out the first 250ml and filled up a case of 1qt mason jars. Although I managed to break my test cylinder, I could still light the last jar collected on fire so I have to assume it was still at a fairly high percentage. From lighting the propane burner to finish took just shy of 4 hours. I am going to save the 5th quart just because want to enjoy a taste of my labors. That quart smells and tastes like a decent vanilla vodka. I have another 50L of wash to strip tomorrow and will do a reflux run latter in the week as the weather allows. Thanks for all your help, with a special nod to my phantom guru Mtnwalker!

Tod"
Users browsing this topic
Guest (2)
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.