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Offline div4gold  
#1 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:36:45 PM(UTC)
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"I've worked with a homemade extractor for a couple of years and just bought the Brewhaus High Capacity and made a couple of runs in the pot mode.

The wash was 8lbs sugar 2lbs mollasas, nutrient, epson salt and 1118 on the yeast. The other wash was 8lbs sugar 2lbs of malt syrup, nutrient, epson salt and the 1118 yeast both were fermented in 5 gal of water. Each worked for 10 days.

Out of each run I got 5 liters of 80 proof and one liter of 60 proof.

I was just wondering if this is about average, I've never talked to anyone before about this so I don't really know what is expected.

Thanks"
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#2 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:56:31 PM(UTC)
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"Thats pretty good. Did you make cuts for heads also.

Does your nutrients contain a ph balancer? If not you need to add some acid to lower the ph to around 5.2 or so. Also, really aeriate the wash at the beginning. Those will make your ferments much faster and complete.

Just tossing out ideas."
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#3 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:03:24 PM(UTC)
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"That is good. So much yeild that it sounds like no cuts.

I'm thinking barely more than 5 liters after cuts.

Don't pay any attension to me. I'm just thinking out loudConfused

That would be 2.5 liters per for a total of 5 liters.

But since it's a rum perhaps a bit more when ya blend a bit-o-tails."
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#4 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:28:25 PM(UTC)
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That is good. So much yeild that it sounds like no cuts.

I'm thinking barely more than 5 liters after cuts.

Don't pay any attension to me. I'm just thinking out loudConfused

That would be 2.5 liters per for a total of 5 liters.

But since it's a rum perhaps a bit more when ya blend a bit-o-tails.


You are seldom confused. I agree with you.

And he should save the cuts for a spirit run later. Then no waste."
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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:29:34 PM(UTC)
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Single run or double?
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#6 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:34:29 PM(UTC)
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And he should save the cuts for a spirit run later. Then no waste.


+1

Seems real proofy for a single pot run. Wonder if he droped the hydro in at the proper distillate temp?"
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#7 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:41:42 PM(UTC)
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"The way this worked is :

From a cold start, using the 1500 watt hot plate I got 2 oz of heads off in 1 1/2 hrs. I then cut the heat back some and was getting 1 quart every 25 minutes. Right after the heads were disposed of the distillate was 140 proof. When the temps started to rise I cut the heat back some more and quit the run when the last quart came out at 60 proof. I then ended the run. I used 2 of the copper mesh plugs in the column. Tasted fine. You could tell the difference between the rum and whiskey wash and the rum was really good. So...I guess I'm getting about as much as possible? Would I increase the volume by using 10 lbs of sugar in the wash instead of the 8lbs? Thanks"
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#8 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:46:01 PM(UTC)
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"I'd stick to 8lbs.

You'll get a better drinking product in the end.

And if your yeild is as much as you say, then you are doing really really good."
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#9 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:48:30 PM(UTC)
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Thats pretty good. Did you make cuts for heads also.

Does your nutrients contain a ph balancer? If not you need to add some acid to lower the ph to around 5.2 or so. Also, really aeriate the wash at the beginning. Those will make your ferments much faster and complete.

Just tossing out ideas.


No ph balancer that I know of and I don't have a means of measuring the ph, I've just been fermenting it with the ingredients I listed. I don't know how the epson salts work but I carried that over from some wine that I made before."
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#10 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:51:00 PM(UTC)
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Single run or double?


One time through."
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#11 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:54:34 PM(UTC)
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+1

Seems real proofy for a single pot run. Wonder if he droped the hydro in at the proper distillate temp?


That 3"" column if run slow and careful can actually produce those ABVs, first run. Cuts are tougher with just one run though. Won't be as clean or smooth. A fast first run will save flavors for the second run.

A 3"" column is a totally different ball park from smaller ones. requires much different timeing and heat, and a lot more cooling water. If set up exactly right, you can do a double or even tripple distillation in one run. Its an art unique to that large column."
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#12 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:01:46 PM(UTC)
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That 3"" column if run slow and careful can actually produce those ABVs, first run. Cuts are tougher with just one run though. Won't be as clean or smooth. A fast first run will save flavors for the second run.

A 3"" column is a totally different ball park from smaller ones. requires much different timeing and heat, and a lot more cooling water. If set up exactly right, you can do a double or even tripple distillation in one run. Its an art unique to that large column.



Didn't realize the column was that big. Thats pretty cool.

Is there a pic of that thing kicking around here somewhere?

I get those #s with my in-line thumper with little to no loss of flavor when I charge the thumper with a wash and low wines combo.

Will that 3"" give a potstilled flavor profile I wonder?"
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#13 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:21:59 PM(UTC)
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Didn't realize the column was that big. Thats pretty cool.

Is there a pic of that thing kicking around here somewhere?

I get those #s with my in-line thumper with little to no loss of flavor when I charge the thumper with a wash and low wines combo.

Will that 3"" give a potstilled flavor profile I wonder?[/QUOTE]

Got good flavor on both the whiskey and rum. But....I've only ran it twice.

There is a picture of it on the Brewhaus products on their main homesite.
http://www.brewhaus.com/Essenti...-Distiller-P1017C96.aspx"
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#14 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:58:24 PM(UTC)
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Thats pretty good. Did you make cuts for heads also.

Does your nutrients contain a ph balancer? If not you need to add some acid to lower the ph to around 5.2 or so. Also, really aeriate the wash at the beginning. Those will make your ferments much faster and complete.

Just tossing out ideas.


I was thinking about what you said about the ph. I have a ph meter for soil, I don't know if its anywhere near accurate but I tested the water here and it was just a little under 7. I then put it in the wash which has been bubbling for 2 days and it read about 6.6. How do you test the ph and what kind of acid do you use ? I've got some tartaric acid, also have some lemon juice."
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#15 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:22:17 PM(UTC)
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No ph balancer that I know of and I don't have a means of measuring the ph, I've just been fermenting it with the ingredients I listed. I don't know how the epson salts work but I carried that over from some wine that I made before.


I use citric acid as it is cheap and easy to get. Lemon or other citrus juice willl work also. Depending on your water, 2 tsp of lemon juice per gal. I use for my water a tsp and a half of citric acid. Brewhaus sells a buffer if you don't want to do ph strips or a proper meter. Ph is very important to fermentation."
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#16 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:34:33 PM(UTC)
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hello div4gold. im brand new and im using the brewhaus essential extactor II aaaaaaaand i was interested in your recipes posted thier what exactely is the epsom salt for and how much would ya use for 6 gallons? Also what kinda nutrients and how much??
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#17 Posted : Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:42:39 PM(UTC)
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hello div4gold. im brand new and im using the brewhaus essential extactor II aaaaaaaand i was interested in your recipes posted thier what exactely is the epsom salt for and how much would ya use for 6 gallons? Also what kinda nutrients and how much??


Epson salt is basically magnesium sulfate with a litte sulfer, you can get it at the supermarket and its cheap. I use 1/4 tsp for 5 gallons of wash. The nutrient I use is just a generic DSP. I use 1 tsp of nutrient per gallon."
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#18 Posted : Monday, January 18, 2010 3:42:55 AM(UTC)
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can you tell me a lil about what the epsom salt is for im new and tryin to learn??
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#19 Posted : Monday, January 18, 2010 12:32:34 PM(UTC)
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can you tell me a lil about what the epsom salt is for im new and tryin to learn??


I carried the epson salt over from a potato wash that I tried a few times. It just adds some minerals for the yeast that may not be present to your wash. I don't know if it really does any good but I can't see where it harms anything either. I just got back from Costco and they had 12 lbs of it for $7.00.

One thing I think I forgot to mention on the first runs was the condition of the 2 copper mesh plugs in the column. When I cleaned it I could see that about 1/3 rd of the bottom plug had any actual reaction and it was discolored. The upper parts of the 2 plugs were still shiny like new."
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:05:16 PM(UTC)
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I use citric acid as it is cheap and easy to get. Lemon or other citrus juice willl work also. Depending on your water, 2 tsp of lemon juice per gal. I use for my water a tsp and a half of citric acid. Brewhaus sells a buffer if you don't want to do ph strips or a proper meter. Ph is very important to fermentation.


I still don't have a ph meter but I did start a 6 gallon mix of rum and used your recommendation of 2 tsp of lemon juice per gal. I still use the EC 1118 yeast, 1 packet per 6 gallons. Well the thing sounds like my dually floorboarded with the trubo kicked in. Instead of the bubbler I normally use I got some plastic tubing and put that in the bubbler hole and the other end into a gallon milk jug with about 2 inch's of water in it. Thats something Rick at Brewhaus told me about. Good idea since the rum bubbles are now pukeing into the gallon jug instead of all over the place. Lowering the ph seems to have really charged up the yeast action."
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