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Offline StillBilly  
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:59:42 AM(UTC)
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I recently obtained a carbon snake for filtration. The directions said not to filter spirit above 50%. Does anyone know why there is that restriction?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, March 06, 2010 12:44:36 PM(UTC)
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high % alcohol could act as an aggressor to the carbon and cause "nasties" to be leached out the wrong way, eg carbon to alcohol
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#3 Posted : Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:04:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: div4gold Go to Quoted Post
high % alcohol could act as an aggressor to the carbon and cause ""nasties"" to be leached out the wrong way, eg carbon to alcohol



Also, the oils and yuk from the tails are too soluable in high proof. the carbon can't hold them. Diluted properly, the oils sepetate and are easily grabbed and captured by the carbon and held there. It all has to do with molecular size. Activated carbon captures molecules larger than ethanol. Tails are, if they are not in combination with ethanol at higher proofs."
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#4 Posted : Saturday, March 06, 2010 4:43:11 PM(UTC)
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Yup, and some other technical things, but it all boils down to higher %'s of alcohol doesn't work to please the taste buds :)
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#5 Posted : Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:32:29 AM(UTC)
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"I read a Dow article that the increase of leaching of plastics is exponential as the % goes up. But for me, higher percent is what I got into this art for in the first place. That and quality. Im new at it and learning. But I have employed both the carbon in the jar followed by stainless coloum filtering.

I'm concentrating on getting the need to filter down to a minimum. I see there are many things that can be done to lessen the need. Still like the idea of a filter pass though."
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#6 Posted : Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30:49 AM(UTC)
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I read a Dow article that the increase of leaching of plastics is exponential as the % goes up. But for me, higher percent is what I got into this art for in the first place. That and quality. Im new at it and learning. But I have employed both the carbon in the jar followed by stainless coloum filtering.

I'm concentrating on getting the need to filter down to a minimum. I see there are many things that can be done to lessen the need. Still like the idea of a filter pass though.




I don't use plastic for anything beyond fermenting.

I also make high proof super clear for herbal tinctures. If you really want high proof super clean spirits, strip the ferment, soak with baking soda, do a spirit run,with good cuts, dilute to 40%, carbon filter, do another spirit run for your high proof product. You won't have to make hardly any cuts, but just a touch will make it cleaner. Will beat Everclear hands down. I only use glass jugs or carbouys for my product."
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#7 Posted : Monday, March 29, 2010 8:20:04 AM(UTC)
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"Lot of work. But thats what I'm after.
Made four runs so far.
In the bitter cold every time.
Had to drive her pretty hard and was very touchy.
Insulated colum and all.
I have about three gallons
average 89%.
I'll give your method a shot. Im changing over to copper from rings. Should be a good time to do the final run.
Thanks,"
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#8 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:58:39 AM(UTC)
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"Well Im taking your advice. Sounds solid.
I have stripped two runs and have exactly two gallons at 62% ABV.
Last night I tossed 1/4 cup of bran new bakeing soda into the container.
I'm reassembling my rig with copper mesh. Had 100% rashig rings.
This weekend I will dilute down to 40%, toss in some rings, and take it easy on the heat.Make good cuts, and dont be greedy.

I'll keep you posted as to how she goes on this next pass."
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:16:46 AM(UTC)
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"Dissassembled and cleaned the unit. Replaced the rashig rings with copper mesh. Replaced all gaskets and reassembled.

Drew off the soda soaked liquid and cut to approx 3 gal at 40% ABV.

Cranked her up and yes, it warmed up much quicker than with a wash.

100% reflux setting on the coolant and WFO on the condensor. Ran it at 158 for a half an hour for about a full table spoon of liquid. Slowy pinched it up to 171 where it purched and produced about 3 drops per second.

Collected 300 ml head and then started to collect in new pint jars that were numbered. Wound up using ten. I sniffed out the vapours as I went along. At the time I wasnt sure if I was just getting used to the vapor or what, but I noticed that the longer it run the less sweetish it would be come. Near the end the rig statred to need more coolant and the vapor gained a sharpness to it.

Covered the jars with coffe filter and installed only the ring.

Next day I opened them up and with them sequentialy lined up I stared in the middle. I had to try hard to smell anything at all fron the center two. As I slowly worked my way towards the first set, the beginning two jars did have a hint of sweet. And the last two started to pic up very faint sharpness to it.

I have not tested the ABV or sipped any, but it went pretty text for what I had learned and what Im after. I expect it to be fairly clean.

Now. From what Ive been told, I will now carbon filter it (I have a Brewhaus stainless one.), after a cut back to 40%, and rerun it taking most if not all of the product.
I'll let you in on the taste test tonight before I cut it.

Thanks Gents."
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:08:16 AM(UTC)
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"Good going 289. Just 2 suggestions. Dilute the stripping run then add the BS.
Also, you will be able to taste the cuts much better if you dilute them first. Really make a big diff. in taste for any offs. If you want really clean, be tight in your cuts. You can always rerun the feints later to collect the good in them, so no loss.


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Dissassembled and cleaned the unit. Replaced the rashig rings with copper mesh. Replaced all gaskets and reassembled.

Drew off the soda soaked liquid and cut to approx 3 gal at 40% ABV.

Cranked her up and yes, it warmed up much quicker than with a wash.

100% reflux setting on the coolant and WFO on the condensor. Ran it at 158 for a half an hour for about a full table spoon of liquid. Slowy pinched it up to 171 where it purched and produced about 3 drops per second.

Collected 300 ml head and then started to collect in new pint jars that were numbered. Wound up using ten. I sniffed out the vapours as I went along. At the time I wasnt sure if I was just getting used to the vapor or what, but I noticed that the longer it run the less sweetish it would be come. Near the end the rig statred to need more coolant and the vapor gained a sharpness to it.

Covered the jars with coffe filter and installed only the ring.

Next day I opened them up and with them sequentialy lined up I stared in the middle. I had to try hard to smell anything at all fron the center two. As I slowly worked my way towards the first set, the beginning two jars did have a hint of sweet. And the last two started to pic up very faint sharpness to it.

I have not tested the ABV or sipped any, but it went pretty text for what I had learned and what Im after. I expect it to be fairly clean.

Now. From what Ive been told, I will now carbon filter it (I have a Brewhaus stainless one.), after a cut back to 40%, and rerun it taking most if not all of the product.
I'll let you in on the taste test tonight before I cut it.

Thanks Gents.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:58:30 AM(UTC)
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Good going 289. Just 2 suggestions. Dilute the stripping run then add the BS.
Also, you will be able to taste the cuts much better if you dilute them first. Really make a big diff. in taste for any offs. If you want really clean, be tight in your cuts. You can always rerun the feints later to collect the good in them, so no loss.



+1
IMHO the essence of a top notch likker."
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:30:22 PM(UTC)
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+1
IMHO the essence of a top notch likker.


Thanks LWTCS, I will differe to your knowledge any day, and you are not so long winded as myself. Your's are short and to the point. Raising a glass of 19 month old millet whiskey to you.
Cheers."
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#13 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 8:54:06 AM(UTC)
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"That makes sence about the pre dilute before BS. I musta missed that part.
The strip was at 62% ABV so it wasn't too much off base. Regardless, the cuts are well defined with this method. Not a mystery like I expected. You can tell while it is running pretty much whats going on.

So. My taste test went well. Used a pipett to draw off a quarter inch into a shot glass with about the same if not a touch more of filtered (britta) water.

Pretty much matched my nose. I was able to define the hearts. I did go back to jar 6 for some sampling of the 92% product. And then some more sampling. Nice.....

OK. Tonight I have to build a stand for the filter unit. Gotta get ready for this weekend final run.
I'm thinking of running the still with water for a while to clean her. Only been used once with the copper in it. But I want angel clean.
Cant wait....Thank you kindly."
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#14 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 11:26:15 AM(UTC)
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Water ain't gonna clean it better than hot etho
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#15 Posted : Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:32:50 AM(UTC)
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"Thats true huh?

This will be the products third pass... post filter. I just want all this hard work to wind up being the finest and the cleanest to grace my jars.
I guess a decent cut is in order anyhow.
I certainly grasp the ""dont worry, it's not going anywhere"" concept of reusing the cuts. It's hard not to be greedy tho. It's a fight. But Im getting there.
Patients is mandatory huh?"
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#16 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 5:02:52 AM(UTC)
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"Made final pass.
Took forever. Main reason. Being overly cautious.
I grabbed a glass full of the 86 proof ,that was previously carbon filtered, prior to loading just shy of 3 gal into the kettle.
While waiting for the temps to climb in the collumn, I would have a sip here and there. Friggin good after sittin a while. I mean really good. I was thinking to myself that I best not screw the proffing up process or I would be ruining some damn fine vodka.
I ran her with shyness, but it was a damn tight pass. three drops per second for six long hours. But I will say the temps were locked. Like auto pilot. Does help to take ones time a nd sneak up on it.
I was pulling 200 ml at a time and sniffing it out before sending it to the gallon jug. Was shocked when all of a sudden my sniffer pounced on the tails. Absolutly ubdeniable sharp funkness. 10 minutes later the temps took off.

If you ever want to know how to spot the tails? blow into you collector to remove the fumes and take a sniff. When you smell anything sharp, pithy, almost woody your there. If it smells like something you would not drink...your there.
So....96.5. Done wheeew"
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#17 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 8:04:12 AM(UTC)
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"Way to go 289!

Hope you will taste test your first good vodka run against this last. Would be interested to get your opinion.

Cheers"
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#18 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 8:45:53 AM(UTC)
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"The last was so smooth, so nice. I had to check it's proof again.
Brought some to my vodka gods and told em. Let it roll on your tounge. Give it a five second roll and then take er down. It was a pleasure to watch the Tito's, Grey Goose crowd smile. It is scary good. Next batch I'll bet I follow the same path....except for the last proofing run. I did the high proof run as a ""show of force"" type thing for the relatives. They want some ""mean"" shine type stuff for Xmas. And hey, I do to. But your guidance did produce the best tasting vodka me and many have ever had.

Thank you."
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#19 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 11:34:57 AM(UTC)
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"WTG 289,
just be careful and get too proofy with your loved one's. Teach em how to,,,,,,,,do it. Help them understand ( I'm sure you will) what they are experiencing.

Nice to impress the grey goose crowd too.

Cheers and good to hear that you are having success."
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#20 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 11:55:21 AM(UTC)
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WTG 289,
just be careful and get too proofy with your loved one's. Teach em how to,,,,,,,,do it. Help them understand ( I'm sure you will) what they are experiencing.

Nice to impress the grey goose crowd too.

Cheers and good to hear that you are having success.


Good warning LWTCS. I remember my first encounter with really good homemade, back in 1969. Tasted like water with just a bit of heat. Not much. Didn't think much of it till I tried to stand up. Ha!

289, any dooubters of the store bought super elixers, have them slightly binge on yours the first night. They won't have any real problems. Wait a week or so and let them drink their favorit store bought, same amount, same proof. They will be totally awed at the difference."
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