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Offline Chore Chunk  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:32:47 PM(UTC)
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"Does charred oak or hickory improve a sugar based pot stilled run? meaning if after I make a stripping run then a pot spirit run to about 70% will sitting on oak remove any nasties after a month or so?

My other thought was to get some of the carbon granules and put a small filter bag of it in each quart and let that sit over time. Anybody try that as opposed to funnel filtering it?

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:55:40 AM(UTC)
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I put a couple of handfuls of carbon in a 3 gallon carboy with 45% neutral. just make sure you rinse the carbon first.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:21:50 AM(UTC)
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I put a couple of handfuls of carbon in a 3 gallon carboy with 45% neutral. just make sure you rinse the carbon first.


I baked some small hickory splits to a nice medium toast last night in a aluminium pouch - 2 hours at 350F and 1/2 hour at 400F.

I also washed and drained a cup of 0.5mm activated carbon granules then simmered in water for an hour and dried for 3 more hours in the oven at 400F.

I will test both of these when my next wash is done in a week but will have to let it sit on the sticks/carbon for at least a few more weeks in order to do a taste test."
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:28:32 AM(UTC)
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Sounds good.You don't need to dry carbon on its first use. The drying is removing impurities from the alcohol. If you haven't downloaded Gert Strand's book on carbon you can at Brewhaus.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:41:36 AM(UTC)
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"Oaking and carbon filtering are 2 different techniques for what should be 2 different outcomes.

What recipe are you using?

Are you after flavored (oak) or nuetural (carbon) spirits

Did you strip before your spirit run?

Are you making cuts?

Pot stilling and oak indicates that you prefer a flavored spirit. Yes oak can polish and smooth your likker, but also adds nose and body. Something carbon can remove.

Shoot for a 10 or 12% ABV (or lessOhMyGod), stay away from turbos, run your still low and slow and make very conservative cuts. Do these things with a good recipe and you won't need to carbon filter or use clearing agents.

I know, I know....I speak blasphemyWink"
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#6 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:17:24 AM(UTC)
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Oaking and carbon filtering are 2 different techniques for what should be 2 different outcomes.
What recipe are you using?
Are you after flavored (oak) or nuetural (carbon) spirits
Did you strip before your spirit run?
Are you making cuts?
Pot stilling and oak indicates that you prefer a flavored spirit. Yes oak can polish and smooth your likker, but also adds nose and body. Something carbon can remove.


I bought The PSII from Brewhaus about 2.5 years ago and mostly use the black label turbo for ease of making, it actually makes a good 190 when cleared with sparkalloid and aired for 24 hours, I have no complaints on this. I did replace the PVC ball valve for the tower cooling to a brass gate valve and it controls the take-off perfectly.

I do not want to get involved with making any mashes and prefer sugar washes, I have made many different ones but the two that work best are the ""All Bran"" and the ""tomato Paste"" which I have a 4 gallon one going right now and is at 6% after 3 days. The All bran is more work though.

I always strip hard and fast to about 210F, gives me a little more than 2.5 gallons from a turbo and maybe 2 gallons from the others. I then let sit with about 4 tsp of baking soda until I get around to the spirit run. This is why I want bulk storage as I want to make about 30 gallons of low wines at a time so I can run later.

I spirit run in reflux mode slow 2 drops until the hearts hit then about 4+ drops, I smell dilute and taste my cuts. I do not collect tails and usually get 20oz of heads which is used for fire starting only. The near 1/2 gallon of hearts is all at 190, this needs no polishing excepting airing. Note I short the recipe on sugar to help keep this cleaner.

I have never pot stilled a turbo and don't intend to but have done the ""All Bran"" and with cuts got about 48oz of 140 from a 4 gallon wash. I had buddies from Florida drink it all a couple of weeks ago and said it tasted like tequila. This is the stuff I want to make in bulk and store for months on either carbon or charred hickory sticks, not for flavoring but just to polish and remove oils and such.

Making the charred sticks seems easier than making clean carbon, plus I have a ton of 1+ year dried hickory. I will try both but the results are months away and was just checking to see if anybody else has done this first.

I know it seems like I am a lazy sugarhead but am very busy getting this house ready to sell, my new cabin will be off grid and want to stock pile while I still have electricity and water."
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#7 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:27:15 AM(UTC)
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Sounds good.You don't need to dry carbon on its first use. The drying is removing impurities from the alcohol. If you haven't downloaded Gert Strand's book on carbon you can at Brewhaus.

I bought the carbon filter kit from Brewhause over 2 years ago and read ebook then and concluded it was too much of a pain to do. I can't download willy nilly as I am on a limited g3 connection.

I just had lunch at McDonald's and since they advertise internet I took my netbook and it has 1 meg download speed, I will now enjoy a nice long cup of coffee there from time to time."
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#8 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:02:51 AM(UTC)
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you are throwing away a lot of good ethanol in those tails.collect your heads and tails and put them with your next spirit run.it will give you more hearts and better define your cuts.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:35:51 AM(UTC)
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you are throwing away a lot of good ethanol in those tails.collect your heads and tails and put them with your next spirit run.it will give you more hearts and better define your cuts.


I did that a couple years ago and ended up with so many jars and buckets in varying stages of disarray that it became too hard to get the house remodeling done. I'd have jars of head/tail feints, buckets of wash, buckets of rack, jars of stripped, and jars of spirits. At the end of a long day and an even longer spirit run I concluded by saying the little tails I got was not worth the time and money.

Plus out of the hundreds of runs I think I made it sober to the end only twice - so when I hit the tails I also hit the sack.

I live out in nowhere, no heat or garbage disposal except for an outdoor garbage burner and an inside wood burner. The heads starts all my fires safely and cheaply, the tails keep weeds and other areas free from attack. I'm one of those guys who only eats the meaty part of the crawdad leaving the head sucking to the hearty people.

Thanks for checking though.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:43:27 AM(UTC)
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"Yep, its a total waste. Those heads and tails could increase the next hearts by a huge margin. I just save them combined and do a seperate run when I have collected enuf.
Your county may be dry, but KY isn't. Most of it is as wet as a baby's diaper, thats breast fed and drinks milkshakes all day and hasn't been changed in a long time. Check adjoining counties. A 6.5 gallon glass carbouy at my local homebrew costs me around $25. Vistit or call your closest bourbon distiller. You can purchase their used wooden barrels very cheap. for the amounts you are talking about, this may be your best bet. I used to buy used 55 gal. drums for $10 each with a sealing lid. I used them for animal feed, but you can line them with a proper plastic liner for fermenting or low wine storage. Same with certain brands of garbage cans. I only use glass because I have plenty of them. Easy to handle, and I can see whats going on.

I really do like the concept of stripping into another keg, and then just running it when full. I have them, and never thoought of that before. DUH!

I learn something new every once in a while if I can pay attention long enuf."
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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:48:53 AM(UTC)
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This is actually a moist county, restaurants with over 100 seats can sell liquor by the drink but nothing to go. Paducah pop. 25,000 is the closest big city about 65 miles but never get up that way.

I may start collecting heads and tails again as I have been saving up more glass containers, but running 3 gallons of low wines takes long enough. The still holds 7.5 gallons and may just get up real early and make a full day of it and run 6 gallons at a time.

What I did for the last 2 years was a JIT system of Just In Time production, make a wash, run it, drink it - start over when I hit the last jar. As of lately I have 4 washes running at various stages and when done I strip and store them with a tsp per gallon of soda then start a new wash. I have about 15 gallons of low wines stored and would like to keep adding to that throughout the summer when the temps for making washes is perfect.

Let me reiterate why I ask these questions, this house is in the middle of a massive remodeling job basically rebuilt from top to bottom from the inside out. A giant mess that had no walls or kitchen for a year and kinda like camping as it has never had heat in the last 3 winters, I wear long underwear 24/7 for 3 months as the average inside temps are around 40F.

Its hard to keep setting up the still in these conditions so I just want to make 50 -100 gallons of low wines, the PSII runs a 5 gallon wash in a couple of hours on my electric stove top (about 2500watts) I can make about 15 gallons a month, 100 gallons will take me into winter and the house should be done. I will then spirit run in pot mode rather then reflux for ease of setup and speed. It is that 2nd spirit run that I either want to put on charred hickory or carbon to store until the house sells next spring.

My new place in BFE will have absolutely no utilities and will build it during the summer with only a generator. Once completed I will only have PV for electricity, solar for water and hydronic heating, rain harvesting for water, and a homemade honey hole. This will take a lot of time and would like to stock up before hand. Propane will be the new cooker fuel but not until the place is 100% complete.

I have never drank a 2x pot run of sugarhead as I let my buddies be the rats on Memorial Day with the 140 proof All Bran wash, they made no mention of any ill effects but are also professional sots.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:30:41 PM(UTC)
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":Your problem is part solved. Go to one of those restraunts or more and make a deal to get the used liquor bottles with the caps. 1.75 L jugs. You can strore your low wines as well as your finisheshed product, below 120 proof, safely in them. Even ask them to save the cardboard cases they come in for easy storage and handling.

Go to a party and carry your own, looks just like a normal bottle of vodka or whiskey depending on color.

Be creative."
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#13 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:57:58 PM(UTC)
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I will have to give that a try, I have never actually been to a restaurant that sells booze and just found out about them after being here for two years when they tried to pass a liquor amendment to allow package stores. It never passed as it never got enough votes to get on the ballot, I could not vote as I live in the country and only city residents were allowed and which I hear is a bit on the blue side.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:00:16 PM(UTC)
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"Don't think you are alone in your isolation. I live 3 miles from where they will deliver mail, so I can't get any. Don't drive due to eyesight problems, and the nearest neighbor is 2 miles, rough gravel drive away. Took 10 years to get power and phone here. Till then it was all propane, a propane generater, batteries and inverter. Still have my propane fridge, that also runs on AC if avaliable. I love it as it makes no noise at all when running.

Momma Bear Fischer stove or clone is the only way to heat. Fed twice a day will chase you out of a small house, below 20 F fed 3 times a day will heat 3200 square feet of insulated house comfortably. I cook breakfast, lunch and dinner on it, can thousands of quarts of food and evenrender 5 gal. of pork fat into lard and cracklings.

since I have a vaulted ceiling am thinking of running my keg still on top this winter.

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