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Offline Tregeagle  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:08:11 AM(UTC)
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"Hi, just joined and thought I'd take the opportunity to ask about the amount of water I need to be putting through a valved reflux still to cool the vapours effectively.
I fired my still up for the first time today with just straight water for a cleansing run and to get the idea of how to use her. Unfortunately I simply couldn't get to the point where all the steam condensed. Well I could, but only by turning off the heat completley! I'm running on propane, so it should be fairly controllable.
I'd appreciate any words of wisdom you have to offer - I'm starting to run out of foul language to throw at it.....,Cursing"
Offline LWTCS  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:21:23 PM(UTC)
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"Water is going to act much differently than water with alcohol.

Ask more questions and be more specific.

Got any pics"
Offline Tregeagle  
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:10:49 AM(UTC)
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"The still is built to the plans from moonshine-still.com's ""World-class"" plans for a valved reflux, although I've increased the length of the offset head and given the coil 14 turns instead of 10. The water is a pretty constant 8 degrees centigrade from a pump that give about 20 gallons a minute through 1/2"" pipe, though I think that is being cut by at least 75% as it goes through the 1/4"". No pics I'm afraid as I've not got the technology.
Thanks for taking the time to get back to me."
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#4 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:18:34 PM(UTC)
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"Did you inasulate the still very well???

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Offline Tregeagle  
#5 Posted : Friday, July 23, 2010 10:04:49 AM(UTC)
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No, but then the plans didn't call for that. Also, I can't see how insulating the column would help at all with condensing the vapors - after all, the whole problem is that the vapor isn't cooling down quickly enough when it leaves the column.
Offline LWTCS  
#6 Posted : Friday, July 23, 2010 12:39:34 PM(UTC)
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"Some reflux stills do not have the knock down power for 100% water.

Do you have a coil condenser atop the column and a product condenser?

If water boils at 212, then your wash will boil at a temp gradient some where between the boiling point of water and the boiling point of alcohol. All this depends on the alcohol content of your wash.

This gradient will rise during your run as the alcohol gets liberated from the water.

This means that your distillate will likely come off cooler at the begining of the run and get progressively warmer as the run continues. Unless you have good knock capabilities with your product condenser.

Some say warm distillate is better as it helps some really volitile nasties evaporate/air off faster/better.

You reflux fellers often like a very high abv as most just want nuetural anyway. An 18 or 20% wash will run at a lower temp than a 10 or 12% wash. This means that the distillate can come off at a lower temp (depending on heat input) thus giving your condenser an easier job of knocking down vapor.

But I recon anything over 12 or 14% makes for stressed out off flavors that require,,,,,,,,,,,,,a reflux still,,,,,,,and clearing agents,,,,and carbon filtering and,,,,,,,,mo money mo money mo money."
Offline Tregeagle  
#7 Posted : Friday, July 23, 2010 8:05:23 PM(UTC)
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"Well I've put a length of 1"" pipe down the middle of the coil to force the vapors into closer contact with it and will test that as soon as I get the chance.
As far as the puity thing goes, I do like a drop of vodka now and then - it seemed the reflux still was the easiest way to get there. On the other hand, I'm also very fond of calvados so a pot still was next on my list anyway, using the same pot as I'm using on the reflux, so all is not lost. If I can get the reflux working well that's good, but if not I'll just put it down to experience - after all half the fun in this is the learning curve and the making of the kit.
Thanks for the help."
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