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"I continue to be frustrated by the lid blowing off the Easystill.I only do one run so it hasn't been charcoal filtered before the run. I have never tried the anti-foam agent.Would using the agent guarantee it not to keep blowing off? I stand there when it does it and immediately pull the lid.There is no sign of any foam but the mash appears to be boiling as I remove the top. I don't understand how it blows off as there is no resistance when you turn the top over and put the plastic drain hose that comes with it into the small hole and blow easily so how does it build the pressure to blow it off? Seems to me that every time it does this you are loosing the alcohol in the steam? "
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When the lid lifts is there any liquid coming out? I have yet to see the lid lifting without it being either overfilling or foaming, both of which are easily remedied.
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Never used an easystill, but assume it has a hose to a collection jar for makeing cuts and collecting. If so, like any distiller, a U in the collection line or the end of the colletion tube immersed instead of free dripping can indeed build pressure. Just my ignorant thoughts.
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" Originally Posted by: Admin When the lid lifts is there any liquid coming out? I have yet to see the lid lifting without it being either overfilling or foaming, both of which are easily remedied. I fill to at least 3/4 inch below the line.I have NEVER seen anything that looks like foam.Today one run did it 4 or 5 times and the next went the whole way without one blow off.Same mash."
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" Originally Posted by: mtnwalker2 Never used an easystill, but assume it has a hose to a collection jar for makeing cuts and collecting. If so, like any distiller, a U in the collection line or the end of the colletion tube immersed instead of free dripping can indeed build pressure. Just my ignorant thoughts. The drip hose never has been immersed in liquid.It sits atop of the charcoal and no liquid builds up there."
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I am thinking this must be a temperature thing or a blockage that I cannot see as it would be consistant not one time and not the other.The Easystill is GOOD when it works but a real pain in my ass when it doesn't.Did a women design this distiller?Now I am in for it............
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" Originally Posted by: blodgee I am thinking this must be a temperature thing or a blockage that I cannot see as it would be consistant not one time and not the other.The Easystill is GOOD when it works but a real pain in my ass when it doesn't.Did a women design this distiller?Now I am in for it............ What? Does your still have menapause symtems? Hot and cold flashes. Did you get your yeast from your wife? A man desighned the still, he just didn't know the perameters he faced. Just kidding folks. Have fun."
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" Originally Posted by: mtnwalker2 What? Does your still have menapause symtems? Hot and cold flashes. Did you get your yeast from your wife? A man desighned the still, he just didn't know the perameters he faced. Just kidding folks. Have fun. Good one! Anyhow if anyone knows anymore about these Easystill's and can add to the comments please do. Rick from Brewhaus is telling me that if I use the anti-foaming agent I won't have any more prolems with the blow off. I will try so as I can get some shipped. "
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Until then, you can prevent foaming by useing an oil like Olive, peanut or even butter or lard. Same as I do for beans and black eyed peas and others when cooking in a pressure cooker. That can get dangerous without it.
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put a few pennies or a spoon in it. that should help.
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"Mine is blowing off also. I have no idea what it is, but it's not foam or overfilling. I filled it only halfway with water and low wines, about 60% of that was water, to slow the process down some as a test.
It's really making me upset. I'm about to tear apart the lid and make a more traditional still where the vapor runs down. I'm starting to think that the vapor is condensing in the tubes, blocking them, and that it's not enough of a downward slant for the liquid to come out.
My other thought is to run velcro along the lid and pot, then just forcing it to stay down that way. Maybe when the pressure builds up, it will push the liquid that's blocking the tube out.
Has anyone tried this?"
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When the lid lifts is there any liquid spilling out? If so, then it is a foaming issue (as you have confirmed that overfilling is not the problem). Keep in mind that less liquid can result in a more rapid boil, as will the elevated abv of the liquid (via a lower boiling point).
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Put some pennies or a fork or marbles in it. Just Me At the end of our first date the girl told me I was crazy in the head and I should be committed to a mental institution. Why do women always want us to make a commitment?
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"When the lid pops it's pretty much just air and precious alcohol vapor. I didn't look any closer to see if there was any foaming, but I seriously doubt there was any. I am just running water and low wines (even these I cut off before I get into the tails too much on the stripping run).
I will try both pennies and glass marbles. Even better yet, I have some 3/8 inch copper tubing I bought with the purpose of making a still with. I'll just drop a small coiled length of that in there, along with some glass marbles for good measure. Thanks for the help."
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Although we have not tried it, you can use a small amount of olive oil as a crude anti-foam agent. It may, at the very least, tell you if foaming is the issue.
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I thought I could add a suggestion to this thread...
I've used an airstill (2 side by side actually) for 3 years and never had this happen. The first thing you want to make sure of is that the wash has been properly de-gassed and the only way to do this is to stir it hard, yes that's right mess it right up. The good news: You'll notice a whole lot of gas now escaping that would otherwise end up in your still. The bad news: Your wash is now thick and muggy with all the sediment you don't want floating around. You have 2 options, wait for ages for it to settle on it's own or using a clearing agent. I've always used a 2 part clearing agent after "de-gassing" my washes. Basically in 24 hours its very clear, they say 95% clear of particles but if you can wait 72 hours its closer to 99%. This all means less for your still and carbon filtration and a cleaner end product.
Take my advice with a grain of saltbut that's what I've always done and never had a foam up problem yet.
Unrelated but I also (always) double distill my spirits. It really makes a difference bringing the simple air still end product much closer to what one would achieve using a serious reflux/pot still.
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"I know that a lot of folks around here are not too keen on the air still, but I have one. I also have a PSII HC that I am learning to use.
I bought the PSII first but I realized that I needed something that I can set up and run while on conference calls, the Air Still fits this perfectly.
I typically use it to strip out my 25L washes 4 liters at a time whenever the mood strikes. I can"t always take over the kitchen to setup the PSII.
While running Molasses washes I was confounded by puking and cloudy distillate.
After even more reading it seems that Molasses is prone to foaming.
As I continued to dig into this I read all kinds of things about anti-foaming agents. I am hesitant to use any more chemicals, but I was ready to pull the trigger.
I came across a couple of older threads about using oil, olive or nose or other. I began to think about that and how the older folks would use a little Olive Oil in the pasta water to eliminate the boil over.
I broke out the air still and a newly finished and racked Molasses wash to give it a try.
Not wanting to add any extra flavors to my distillate, I reached for the Corn Oil. I folded a paper towel into a tight square and held it over the mouth of an inverted bottle of the oil. I was not looking for saturation, just a little wetting of the towel.
I proceeded to lightly wipe the inside of the airstill kettle from just below the liquid fill line up to the top of the kettle. I charge the still with my molasses wash and let her rip. This is the same wash that had been puking in my PSII and also foaming up the lid on my air still previously.
I collected in small jars 150mls at a time. I am on my 4th run and not one of them has foamed over or delivered a cloudy distillate using this technique.
I keep these washes pretty low usually SG 1.080 and EG 1.010 approx ABV 8.8% The breakdown after throwing the first 50ml as fores of each run is as follows: Run 1 Jar 1 150ml ABV 60 Jar 2 150ml ABV 50 Jar 3 150ml ABV 42 Jar 4 150ml ABV 28 Jar 5 150ml ABV 18 Run2 Jar 1 150ml ABV 58 Jar 2 150ml ABV 53 Jar 3 150ml ABV 44 Jar 4 150ml ABV 34 Jar 5 150ml ABV 24 Run3 Jar 1 150ml ABV 58 Jar 2 150ml ABV 52 Jar 3 150ml ABV 43 Jar 4 150ml ABV 30 Jar 5 150ml ABV 20 Run4 Jar 1 150ml ABV 58 Jar 2 150ml ABV 53 Jar 3 150ml ABV 47 Jar 4 150ml ABV 38 Jar 5 150ml ABV 29
I am going to toss some of this back in with some dunder and re-run using the same technique; if I get good clean runs with no foaming I will try this on the Kettle of the PSII.
I am running in Pot mode on the PSII as my intent is to make Rum.
Cheers, Butch"
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"The problem is the temperature control or lack thereof. I have installed a solid state relay in series with the heating element and a omega temperature control. The TC is threaded through the inlet to the condenser. With the finer control I have found I can tune the temperature to eliminate the blow off you are experiencing. Thin wort 98 C 2nd distillation 85 C. I am learning that different fluids have a different phase transformation temp and you can sit and watch energy being input with no temp rise as you start evaporating the alcohol. But temperature control is the issue.
I can produce 190 P on my second run this way with no blow off. When the alcohol is gone , it just stops condensing."
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"I have been using my easystill for a while. While experimenting, I've been a lurker on this site: thank you all for your helpful advice and insights. I have never had a problem with my easystill. For me, it has lived up to it's name: it's easy peasy stillin' fun. My results have been fantastic!:) I don't want to oversimplify other peoples problems or insult anyones intelligence, but what I'm reading in this thread makes me wonder: are you sure the plugs are all the way plugged in. If the plug that runs the fan that cools the coils isn't all the way plugged in, then I imagine pressure could build up in the pot and it could blow. Otherwise, I would contact Brewhaus or whoever you bought your easystill from, and talk to them about the possibility that your easystill is defective. Like I said, I'm getting GREAT tasting high proof spirits. I can't imagine the problems that you are describing."
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" Originally Posted by: blodgee I continue to be frustrated by the lid blowing off the Easystill.I only do one run so it hasn't been charcoal filtered before the run. I have never tried the anti-foam agent.Would using the agent guarantee it not to keep blowing off? I stand there when it does it and immediately pull the lid.There is no sign of any foam but the mash appears to be boiling as I remove the top. I don't understand how it blows off as there is no resistance when you turn the top over and put the plastic drain hose that comes with it into the small hole and blow easily so how does it build the pressure to blow it off? Seems to me that every time it does this you are loosing the alcohol in the steam? Sounds like you are running without boiling chips - Raschig Rings or similar - a small chain like a kitchen sink plug chain will also work. This is to prevent surge boiling which is one big bubble - boiling chips make many small bubbles."
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