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Offline kvenable  
#1 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:43:28 AM(UTC)
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"I just finished my first ever run through a PSII reflux. I also had my first alcohol fire. I only achieved 54 to 70% abv. I started collecting
173*F and stopped when temp got to 180*F. I knew that it was coming out way to fast but the head temp stayed pretty stable. Had an ice chest with ice water as a reservoir but it just kept on coming out fast. Propane burner (low pressure) set as low as I could go without the breeze blowing out the flame. Also during my fermentation with turbo 48 and 15lbs of sugar, I could not smell the yeast working after the first day and a half. Could my wash have gottin stuck? At room temp the hydrometer read 0 after 3 days.

My question is what should I do with this 54 - 70 abv? rerun or just drink it?
2nd question what should the head temp be kept at to slow this down?
Any info for this setup would be greatly appreciated. Need to get this right before hunting season."
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#2 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:21:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kvenable Go to Quoted Post
I just finished my first ever run through a PSII reflux. I also had my first alcohol fire. I only achieved 54 to 70% abv. I started collecting
173*F and stopped when temp got to 180*F. I knew that it was coming out way to fast but the head temp stayed pretty stable. Had an ice chest with ice water as a reservoir but it just kept on coming out fast. Propane burner (low pressure) set as low as I could go without the breeze blowing out the flame. Also during my fermentation with turbo 48 and 15lbs of sugar, I could not smell the yeast working after the first day and a half. Could my wash have gottin stuck? At room temp the hydrometer read 0 after 3 days.

My question is what should I do with this 54 - 70 abv? rerun or just drink it?
2nd question what should the head temp be kept at to slow this down?
Any info for this setup would be greatly appreciated. Need to get this right before hunting season.


Let me guess.... the silicone hose on the take off slipped out of ya jar and caught fire?

I Suggest you go here:

http://distillers.tastylime.net...rror/Org/static_menu.htm

and read up on distillation.

The speed of collection really don't matter as long as liquid and no vapor is coming out of the take off. What is important is the temp at the head.

I also suggest that you get away from the TURBO yeast.
Bayou Ethanol
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#3 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 10:08:59 AM(UTC)
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"Why can you not put that unit into 100% reflux??

Heard no mention of makin cuts so you'll be wanting to study up a bit.

Run your product one more time and collect in 250 ml to 300 ml increments to ensure that you can more precisely keep your transitions from nasty bad likker to good likker separate.

They didn't give you a manual (or the like)?"
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#4 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 1:44:51 PM(UTC)
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"I know that I rushed it. My wash was still milky I just couldn't resist running my first batch. Then with the fire, I had to turn off the propane to extinguish it and lost stabilization in the head temp for a while...but I brought it back up to temp and started over from there. At 175* steady temp, it was coming out at a very fast rate (300mL/5 - 7 minutes). Should I lower the temp? The book provided states 173.5*. I did catch it in 300mL increments. The middle 900mL was at 74% abv and I cut that to 80 proof...kinda tastes like rum. The first couple and the last couple have a bitter taste to it. I plan on adding to my next batch all but the middle 900 that I kept. I also forgot the boiling chips. What temp should I shoot for beginning and ending.

Any help would be appreciated. I read plenty but would like advise from the pros like yourself.
Thanks"
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#5 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 1:50:28 PM(UTC)
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the alcohol coming out was pretty hot too. I had iced water running through the column and the condensor as fast as the little water pump could go. Wide open. I kept ice in the water the whole time so the water in my reservoir(120 qt ice chest) never got hot.
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#6 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 2:43:28 PM(UTC)
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"My replys are a bit vague as I am more of a (hybridWink) potstiller.

But if your unit can't be put into 100% reflux mode then you may need to strip your wash first (if that skinny ass liebig can keep up). Then dilute to 40% and run again.

A 40% lowines run will act much diffrently than a 12, 14 or 18% wash. Your boiler charge will run cooler and perhaps allow you to run 100% reflux mode.

Perhaps some other users could chime in shortly?

Again, if you can't put that rig into 100 reflux then you'll never get to operate at its full potential.

How big is your recirc pump?"
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#7 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 4:29:47 PM(UTC)
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"I absolutely agree. If you cannot achieve good reflux, water source is inadequate or too much heat input. Make sure your through tupes are well packed with copper mesh. Agreed the ps II has an inadequate condensor in my opininion, but the HC unit knocks it all down if done right. even so, just a question of balancing heat intput a nd water control, plus temp. A balance you must reach for your stil run according to the weather. Every mash, wash, or brandy will need different perameters. thats the fun part.



Originally Posted by: LWTCS Go to Quoted Post
My replys are a bit vague as I am more of a (hybridWink) potstiller.

But if your unit can't be put into 100% reflux mode then you may need to strip your wash first (if that skinny ass liebig can keep up). Then dilute to 40% and run again.

A 40% lowines run will act much diffrently than a 12, 14 or 18% wash. Your boiler charge will run cooler and perhaps allow you to run 100% reflux mode.

Perhaps some other users could chime in shortly?

Again, if you can't put that rig into 100 reflux then you'll never get to operate at its full potential.

How big is your recirc pump?
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#8 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 10:52:39 PM(UTC)
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"Thanks fellows. I thought the condensor was inadequate because with the ice water running through it, it had a cold frosty coating on the outside and the output was still hot. I have to keep my head temp at about 175* right? I was able to maintain that head temp for a good while. Next time I will also use marbles or pennies for my chips...I hope this will slow down the process and increase my reflux ratio. If I have to stip run my batches, I may have to return this product.
Thanks again

I have another batch of wash brewing so I will let you know how it goes."
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:54:11 AM(UTC)
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"A little after thought. Are you using the glass thermometer that came with the still or are you using a digital one? Make sure either one is reading correctly buy putting in in boiling water. My glass one I got with my still read 8 degrees too low, so when my head temp was reading 175 degrees it was actually 181degrees. My digital one is only 1 degree off.
TS"
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:08:18 AM(UTC)
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"Also if your liebig is cool and distillate hot,,,,, make sure that you run your coolest bit of water to your reflux condenser first, then (I assume) direct your coolant to the lower water port on the liebig first as the input. And out put at the top of your liebig.

You may need independant water sources for each condenser."
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:15:12 AM(UTC)
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"I am using the glass thermometer that came with it...it was about 2 degrees off from boiling water. I compensated for that. I know that I will need to get another or some more therms though...I'm pretty sure I will break it or at least one.

I am using the water control device that comes with this still. The condensor (liebig) gets full run of water and the control part is adjustable to the head temp only.

The liebig is condensing the vapor to a liquid but it is still hot coming out. Does this matter? I thought that the head temp control was the most important.

Should I try to keep the head temp
175* and forget about the temp of the liquid coming out of the liebig?

I am so pumped about my next batch!!!
Thanks so much for your input."
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:31:03 PM(UTC)
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"As long as you are not loosing vapor out your business end.

Some recon warm is kinda good as some harshness will air off more rapidly."
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:51:08 PM(UTC)
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I have a ee2 also.i use a separate pump for the condenser and the arm. i run my unit at 172.4f/78c.use the search feature and type in just_me and check my posts.there is one from start to finish.check to make sure you have the lines in the right order. you can buy a few gallon jugs of the cheapest white wine and play with that and get a few glass jugs to boot.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 5:01:43 PM(UTC)
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"I have processed 2 runs with my PSII in reflux. I have yet to achieve more that 85 percent. With an ambient temp of about 62f and pumping through icy well water that is further iced. I suspect that I will need to do something to enhance water flow through the head.

Using the digital thermometer, it consistently reads low despite being very careful about placing the end of the thing just above the outlet to the condenser. There is about 6 to 8 inches of naked thermometer that I will attempt to insulate. The thermometer read 210f with boiling water, so that is not much of an issue.

Despite the temp issue I have been able to tell when the temp is steady and kicking out the good stuff. Chucking heads and tails and cutting by 50 percent I still have a headache proof mix. I broke a spiral cut toasted oak in two and put it in a quart jar for a week with this stuff and it turned a great, dark amber. When filtered into 750ml bottle I added a couple of cloves for 24 hours. It turned out great. I"ve paid hundreds for good Scotch and Irish and came up with nothing this smooth.

I cannot imagine how fine it will be if I ever really figure out the PSII. Guess I should follow advise and do a stripping run first and see what I get.
When hunting is over, I will attempt a run on an all malt batch. Hard to believe you can screw it up and still get something great. One great learning experience."
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 6:48:53 PM(UTC)
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"Hi Boats,

As mentioned above, you need to be able to get total reflux at the beginning and run it that way for a while. At least 15 min. or longer is better. Is your columng insulated? Through tubes well packed with mesh? What is your heat source?

After the rull reflux time, you will want to take the foreshots and then the heads off very slowly. Like several drips a second, until you hit hearts and then you can speed things up, but still in drips and not a stream. As long as your output is all liquid and no vapor, don't worry about its temp. Its actually better if its hot and splashing into the collection jar as it lets more of the harshness evaporate. When you start to reach the very first tails, go to full reflux again for a bit and take more hearts off slow. Then when you again get beginning tails, just open it wide open like a stripping run, no reflux for that collection.

Stripping 2 or 3 low wines and then combining to run the spirit run will actually save you time and energy in the long run. Plus you can soak the low wines with some bakeing soda to improve it.

Have fun.


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I have processed 2 runs with my PSII in reflux. I have yet to achieve more that 85 percent. With an ambient temp of about 62f and pumping through icy well water that is further iced. I suspect that I will need to do something to enhance water flow through the head.

Using the digital thermometer, it consistently reads low despite being very careful about placing the end of the thing just above the outlet to the condenser. There is about 6 to 8 inches of naked thermometer that I will attempt to insulate. The thermometer read 210f with boiling water, so that is not much of an issue.

Despite the temp issue I have been able to tell when the temp is steady and kicking out the good stuff. Chucking heads and tails and cutting by 50 percent I still have a headache proof mix. I broke a spiral cut toasted oak in two and put it in a quart jar for a week with this stuff and it turned a great, dark amber. When filtered into 750ml bottle I added a couple of cloves for 24 hours. It turned out great. I"ve paid hundreds for good Scotch and Irish and came up with nothing this smooth.

I cannot imagine how fine it will be if I ever really figure out the PSII. Guess I should follow advise and do a stripping run first and see what I get.
When hunting is over, I will attempt a run on an all malt batch. Hard to believe you can screw it up and still get something great. One great learning experience.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:06:40 PM(UTC)
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"I have another batch (SW) clearing right now and it should be ready for the weekend. I kept pretty much everything except a quart of my botched up first run. If this run does the same, I will do as mountn said and just do strip runs. Eventually I guess I will be doing this anyway when I move up to some real mash. I have some questions about the future.
1. Do I filter before cutting?
2. Do I filter before using oak strips?
3. Basically when do I cut, age, filter etc.

The filtering system that came with my package deal is three pieces of pvc, a coupling, and a filter patch...what kind of filtering system is that? I would love to have a diagram of a better way than this.

Again thanks."
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:14:02 AM(UTC)
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"Do I filter before cutting....no cut first to about 120proof.
Do I filter before oaking... no, the filtering will remove all the color and flavoring from the oak.
In my opinion you should collect all you want from a run...cut to the strength you want (120 or 130 for ageing) (90 to 100 for swillin)
After you cut -- then carbon filter -which will clean it up nicely.
Then if you are gonna age on oak now is the time for that.
CUT--CARBON FILTER--OAK AND AGE. Now some folks say with grain mash dont carbon filter at all. But try some both ways and see what works for you.
Hope this gets the idea across."
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#18 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 5:42:48 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks for all the input.
92% abv on my second batch ever.

Still have a few things to fine tune for refluxing some more neutral.

I would really appreciate a simple grain recipe that is almost idiot proof or fit for an amateur for my first pot brew. Must be easy because I will probably screw it up on the first go round.

Thanks again gentlemen."
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