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Offline PortRoyal  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:16:26 AM(UTC)
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Hi guys, just found this website and love it. I am getting into some home distilling and am real excited about making my own stuff. I want to start small of course to experiment. What is the best (and cheapest) stove top still, say I don't know 1/2 gallon or gallon to start out with? Something that can duplicate the effect of the larger stills (small column still or something) so if I go bigger it won't be hard to duplicate what I'm already doing on a small scale. I should add I'm wanting to concentrate on Rum for now. Thanks in advance.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:25:05 AM(UTC)
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Hi guys, just found this website and love it. I am getting into some home distilling and am real excited about making my own stuff. I want to start small of course to experiment. What is the best (and cheapest) stove top still, say I don't know 1/2 gallon or gallon to start out with? Something that can duplicate the effect of the larger stills (small column still or something) so if I go bigger it won't be hard to duplicate what I'm already doing on a small scale. I should add I'm wanting to concentrate on Rum for now. Thanks in advance.


Welcome and get ready to have some interesting fun.

The easiest way to prepare a small stove top is useing a pressure cooker or canner. While this will work and others have used it, it will not give you much experiance to work with when you get a better normal size seteup. Say you have a 11qt pressure cooker or pot, about 9 qt is its safty volume. The alchohol yielc will be tiny. Say a 15% wash might give you a qt. of hearts with any reasonable cuts, double run (strip then spirit run to clean it).

I would suggest you go ahead and spend the time to make a reasonable sized pot still that would work on the stove top. twill save you money in the long run and you will be able to make a good drinkable product. You can still do very small batches with it if you want There are plenty of plans out there to make one, or just purchase a good one which honestly is about as cheap and sometimes cheaper.
If I were going to do small batches like you say, i would just do the pot of wash with a catch bowl in the middle whole thing covered with a tapered metal lid upside down with ice on it. Forget what they call it. Some use this strictly for prepareing essences for flavoring.

Sorry I'm not more help, but never did small except in my thinking, before I ever started this hobby."
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:08:20 AM(UTC)
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PR, MW2 is right, once you figger out what to keep and what not to keep, you have put a whole lotta work into a small cooker that WILL dissapoint you in the end. I know $ is always an issue but take the advise of a expirenced stiller and do as he says. I make a 5 gallon mash and when its double run and cut to the right proof I still only get for keeping maybe 2.75 qts. I know what your thinking......5 gallons??????? but thats the mash and not the end product. Keep reading and studying before you make up your mind on a still cause the more you see and learn the better off you'll be.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:15:23 AM(UTC)
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Thanks. So you're saying stick with a 5 gallon pot minimum?
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:32:34 AM(UTC)
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"Well you cant put 5 gallons of mash in a 5 gallon boiler......you need head room if you see what I'm saying. You can put 4.5 gallons or so in a 5 gallon boiler. And with that cooker a 5 gallon bucket will be perfect for a fermenter. You are gettin closer all the time. You just figgered out your cooker and your fermenter. Atta boy. Now -- are you gonna buy a tower or make your own. You'll also need a condenser -- also easy to make. If you dont want to get too fancy use a coil of copper like in the old days. But remember copper is not cheap. If you can soldier you can make a Liebig condenser.
If you drink beer just buy a small keg and thats your boiler. I used a 15 gallon keg and I think thats too big ---but it works like a champ."
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:48:15 AM(UTC)
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"Yeah, I could make one, and that would probably be fun, but I am limited on time, lots of projects going on, so I'll probably just buy one, tower, condenser and all. I think I could still fit a 5 gallon rig in my kitchen.

I do want to duplicate the effect of a larger one, if I do end up getting a 50 or 100 gallon rig down the road. I take it you can get a 5 gallon rig with tower, swan neck etc., that will do the same as any bigger rig? Got any off the shelf recommendations on a rig like this?"
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:03:46 AM(UTC)
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"They say if your gonna dream -- dream big. Just hackin on ya. But damn
50 or 100 gallon rig, damn thats dreamin. It takes 6 to 7 hours to run a 5 gallon mash so lets stick with a small still for now. There are lots of sites to look at but to buy one finished it'll cost ya 200$ or 300$. Look on ebay too. The size of the boiler does not dictate the quality of the hooch, its the quality of the mash. I can't say this or that is the best one to buy but look around diff sites and before you spend $ post some pics and all the folks will give yeahs and neahs. I did'nt buy one so I cant say get that one."
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:33:28 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, I could make one, and that would probably be fun, but I am limited on time, lots of projects going on, so I'll probably just buy one, tower, condenser and all. I think I could still fit a 5 gallon rig in my kitchen.

I do want to duplicate the effect of a larger one, if I do end up getting a 50 or 100 gallon rig down the road. I take it you can get a 5 gallon rig with tower, swan neck etc., that will do the same as any bigger rig? Got any off the shelf recommendations on a rig like this?


Personally, you can't beat the price or quality of Brewhause who hosts this forum. Check out their offerings. What most of us are aiming for here in this hobby and craft, is a better product than you can obtain at the box stores, as well as a safer and healthier product. no more feel like shit the next day or the night during. I am sure many here will testify to that result. With a good quality still we can eliminate the higher alchohols and fusel oils that the commercial guys can't afford to do. So much more enjoyable.

Study a bit more and give it some thought. You will never look back except to laugh."
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:19:37 PM(UTC)
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"i think a 6.5 gallon size is good to start with because i make both wine and whiskey. It seems that all my batches turn out to be a bit larger than i start with. i am looking at a 20 gallon boiler so i can run 3 carboys of wash in one run.
I believe that starting small seems like a sensable thing to do but its really not buying the right tool for the job.
:):)"
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#10 Posted : Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:38:12 AM(UTC)
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i think a 6.5 gallon size is good to start with because i make both wine and whiskey. It seems that all my batches turn out to be a bit larger than i start with. i am looking at a 20 gallon boiler so i can run 3 carboys of wash in one run.
I believe that starting small seems like a sensable thing to do but its really not buying the right tool for the job.
:):)

Three carboys in 1 run.....whoowhee..again thats about a 15 to 18 hour cook. Start with one 5 gallon wash first and then expirement from there. Just some freindly advise."
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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:42:12 AM(UTC)
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"Yes I will look at the forum hosts stuff, good advice thanks again.

As for going big, that would be if I decide to try and get a distillers permit to get all legal and sell. Right now I just want to experiment with my ideas for recipes. thanks again guys."
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#12 Posted : Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:29:06 AM(UTC)
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I would recommend the high capacity with the premium kettle. i have the ee2 (makes great product)but i wish i had the hc unit.welcome to the hobby.check out home distillers.
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Offline PortRoyal  
#13 Posted : Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:46:22 AM(UTC)
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"Guys, take a look at this copper still. And tell me what you think, its pretty if nothing else.

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-L-Copper...500672388#ht_4401wt_1027"
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:00:44 AM(UTC)
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Guys, take a look at this copper still. And tell me what you think, its pretty if nothing else.

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-L-Copper...500672388#ht_4401wt_1027


I've been drooling over those for years. Would be great for grappa, araki, absinthe, that greek whiskey? and such. Not so good for grain whiskey and neutrals, but workable still. Sure would grace my fireplace.

Super price even with the shipping. I presume that price is for the econo model?"
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#15 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 1:45:24 AM(UTC)
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So you think the ones on the Brewhaus site, although a little more expensive, would be better for rum or whiskey? Those are the areas I'll concentrate on, Thanks
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#16 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 2:05:03 AM(UTC)
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If you look around and see some of the junk others make (what I call junk) the ones on the host site are real butes. Maybe a little more $ but well worth the price in the long run. As far as which mash you'll make and will the still cook it --- well any boiler will work but you are gonna wanna show your mates when shes up running so get something to be proud of. I saw some new style boiler types on this site in the homepage section (with handles on the sides -5 gallons I believe) that one looks cool and it will work for rums or whiskey. Then pick a tower and your off and runnin.
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#17 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 3:03:10 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks, yeah I also suspect the ones on ebay are probably extremely flimsy, very thin copper, which is why they are probably so cheap. I'll probably stick with what's on this site.

So can anyone recommend a complete rig, I think I know what I need, but if this isn't right, please complete.

1) Pot

2) Column with Goose neck.

3) Condenser coil (that I guess I can make my own barrel to put the condenser in so I can put water in the barrel to cool the condenser.)

Is there anything else? Thanks again guys I really appreciate all your help."
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#18 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 11:00:15 PM(UTC)
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If you get a COMPLETE unit (from this site) with a liebig condenser ( the complete unit- tower and boiler) those towers have a condenser inline and can be used in the pot still mode or the reflux mode -- you wont need a cooling keg with a coil. You will need a supply of cool water for the condenser. You can use several things for that, a hose bib from the house or what most peeps do is get a little pond pump (sold here) and use it to recirculate through the liebig condenser. One of those units comes with ALMOST everything you'll need except the mash of your choice.
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#19 Posted : Friday, September 03, 2010 4:50:37 AM(UTC)
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"I bought the pro series II with the premium kettle from brewhaus...this thing is awesome. I also bought the gold fermentation starter kit that came with so much stuff I had to read what it was all for. I am a newbie but these guys on here know what they are talking about. My first run wasn't too good but through the advice of these guys my last two were awesome and a lot easier. It was my fault...not the equipment.

I was like you and wanted to start small...now I wish I would have got the high capacity with 3"" column. My friends and coworkers within my trusted circle want me make more.

I had some hooch that someone gave me along time ago but only sipped it on special occasions sort of like a novelty item. Now I can drink the good stuff on a regular basis with NO HANGOVER. Sorry for running on but I am so pumped with this new hobby.

So coming from someone who was in your shoes just a month or so ago...get the complete setup from Brewhaus and get a good start on this new hobby so you want have any disappointments to start off with and deter you from furthering your distilling interests.

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#20 Posted : Friday, September 03, 2010 5:24:30 AM(UTC)
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Which one exactly are you recommending then? I am getting close to making a buy, just been a little busy on other things lately, thanks.
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