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Offline jespe  
#1 Posted : Friday, August 27, 2010 8:29:30 PM(UTC)
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"I just got one of the essential extractor psii high capacity, I am really only interested in producing high quality oils as of now. I have so much access to huge amounts of rosemarry and lavender along with may other herbs and spices. I am new to this and would like any help and links to help me along the path.

I also need to get a hot plate or burner, I would like to do this in my house or in my back yard.

And then when I have got my oils I do want to move on to the hard stuff like gin and whiskey town. So any help for a newbie would be great!

thanks

Jespe:)"
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#2 Posted : Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:51:37 AM(UTC)
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i am happy with the 1500hotplate from Brewhaus.you need to use a router with it.cant help with oils.
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#3 Posted : Monday, August 30, 2010 1:36:31 AM(UTC)
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whats a router?
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#4 Posted : Monday, August 30, 2010 2:43:51 AM(UTC)
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whats a router?


He was referring to a router speed control device which will allow you to control the heat output of your element.

I used to have a lot of imfo. saved on doing essential oils and was, am interested still in doing those, especially medicinal herbs. Lost them all in a hard drive crash. Essentially you will need to suspend a bag of the herbs in the pot over the boiling water or solvent that you choose. Takes a ton of herbs to get just a little of the oil, but it is extremely concentrated. You will run in pot still mode, no packing."
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:10:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jespe Go to Quoted Post
I just got one of the essential extractor psii high capacity, I am really only interested in producing high quality oils as of now. I have so much access to huge amounts of rosemarry and lavender along with may other herbs and spices. I am new to this and would like any help and links to help me along the path.

I also need to get a hot plate or burner, I would like to do this in my house or in my back yard.

And then when I have got my oils I do want to move on to the hard stuff like gin and whiskey town. So any help for a newbie would be great!

thanks

Jespe:)


I started a small lavender farm, 500-800 plants, read Brewhaus web site in 2003 "essential Oil Distiller for Aromatherapy" "This method most commonly used for distillation of essential Oils.
All I got was a very harsh drop of oil, not usable, not quality, I spent around to over $400.00 on mine, I got the 'essential extractor pro series, essential oil distiller for aromatherapy", it is not the most commonly used for distillation of essential oils like Brewhaus wrote, steam distillation is. And after a few years of trying I gave up, well I took it out of storage, to try again, and followed their instructions to a tee, again harsh nasty oil, than I looked it up on the internet and guess what? You need a steam distiller, you have to somehow "hang and suspend your herb above the water, NOT in the water! And there is NO way of being able to do that in this brewhaus still, I called them and am waiting for a reply. I'm spitting nails right now, I just discovered today, that their information on their web site was untrue, and it altered my life and business, I didn't want a whiskey still I wanted and needed a essential oil distiller. Now I can't resell it for what I put in it so I can get the proper essential oil still that I needed. I'm sure many people out there are dying to have this still... for other reasons, but I got the wrong information because of prohibition on home distilling.

UPDATE!
I received a reply from the company, they where very nice even though I'm not right now, and offered to work with me to see if this still can be turned into an essential oil distiller for aromatherapy for the more delicate herbs like the lavender and the rose, so hang on to your hats, they might be coming up with a solution so we can "produce high quality oils" from our Brewhaus still, and if they do than we will have one heck of a still.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:21:01 PM(UTC)
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He was referring to a router speed control device which will allow you to control the heat output of your element.

I used to have a lot of imfo. saved on doing essential oils and was, am interested still in doing those, especially medicinal herbs. Lost them all in a hard drive crash. Essentially you will need to suspend a bag of the herbs in the pot over the boiling water or solvent that you choose. Takes a ton of herbs to get just a little of the oil, but it is extremely concentrated. You will run in pot still mode, no packing.


How would you suspend a bag of herbs in the pot? and how big would this bag be? Why would some one get this great big huge ""essential oil distiller"" (not my words but Brewhaus's words) to only be able to steam distill a tiny bag of herbs?
You can't get into the distiller to place a false bottom in it, the hole is like 2.5 inches big, once something is hung inside the still above the water there wouldn't be enough water in the still to make a proper run."
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:33:04 PM(UTC)
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How would you suspend a bag of herbs in the pot? and how big would this bag be? Why would some one get this great big huge ""essential oil distiller"" (not my words but Brewhaus's words) to only be able to steam distill a tiny bag of herbs?
You can't get into the distiller to place a false bottom in it, the hole is like 2.5 inches big, once something is hung inside the still above the water there wouldn't be enough water in the still to make a proper run. Brewhaus essential oil distiller for aromatherapy is NOT an essential Oil distiller! I fell for that bag of doodoo, now I'm stuck with a whiskey distiller that I can't use, a VERY VERY expensive bag of doodoo, don't be made a fool of like I was.


Depends on the kettle. The premium kettle has a removable top for full access to the kettle. I still have not found the ""Brewhaus essential oil distiller for aromatherapy"" as you call it on the Brewhaus web site. I have located the Essential Extractor PSII High Capacity- Complete Distiller, Essential Extractor Pro Series II- Complete Distiller, Essential Extractor Pot Distiller- Complete and EasyStillTM Distiller.

Sounds more like you should have done your home work before you chose a distiller."
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:13:12 PM(UTC)
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Depends on the kettle. The premium kettle has a removable top for full access to the kettle. I still have not found the "Brewhaus essential oil distiller for aromatherapy" as you call it on the Brewhaus web site. I have located the Essential Extractor PSII High Capacity- Complete Distiller, Essential Extractor Pro Series II- Complete Distiller, Essential Extractor Pot Distiller- Complete and EasyStillTM Distiller.

Sounds more like you should have done your home work before you chose a distiller.

I did do my homework, It was in 2003, the website has changed since than, I have it all in writing, also there wasn't much on the web nor in my small local library back than. I had given up.
I took it out of storage because I wanted to once and for all find out what "I" was doing wrong, as it ended up, in 2003 Brewhaus was advertising the still as "Essential Oil Distiller for aromatherapy" also stating "This is the method most commonly used for distillation of Essential Oils.", they also did not offer the shorter column, nor did they have the pot distiller, it is called the "essential extractor pro series" it looks just like the pro series II except the column is one piece and way too long for oils, it also doesn't have it's stainless steel screen in the column, so I can't even try and use the column for steaming. they most likely had to advertise it that way to sell them legally, and I got caught in the middle of the prohibition against home-distilling.
It was my last little bit of funds, I was in an accident and had to be able to make a living, it was my last hope to be able to get my lavender harvested and turned into essential oils, because I wouldn't have fired myself if my back gave out, I had just came out of being homeless because I couldn't work the everyday after the accident and than I run into this crap, don't take me wrong it's a great still if you want to make whiskey, but I don't and I don't drink it either.
Anyways today I did more homework, and there is tons of new information out there now, which did me no good back than, yep, I trusted Brewhaus's word. and now I could make moonshine which I have no interest in and it is illegal, but still can't extract a decent lavender or rose oil, my main purpose for purchasing the "Essential Oil distiller for aromatherapy" yep, sorry about my attitude, but I'm spitting nails right now. And if I sell it, than the next person would get strewed, unless they want it for moonshine, but than it would be illegal for me to sell it for that reason. so now I just store it.

P.s. I put up a pic of it in my profile. Also here is the archived instructions that I did my homework on back in 2003, it came off of brewhaus site in 2003 http://web.archive.org/web/2003..._Series_Instructions.pdf
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#9 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:13:47 AM(UTC)
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I did do my homework, It was in 2003, the website has changed since than, I have it all in writing, also there wasn't much on the web nor in my small local library back than. I had given up.
I took it out of storage because I wanted to once and for all find out what "I" was doing wrong, as it ended up, in 2003 Brewhaus was advertising the still as "Essential Oil Distiller for aromatherapy" also stating "This is the method most commonly used for distillation of Essential Oils.", they also did not offer the shorter column, nor did they have the pot distiller, it is called the "essential extractor pro series" it looks just like the pro series II except the column is one piece and way too long for oils, it also doesn't have it's stainless steel screen in the column, so I can't even try and use the column for steaming. It all was a lie. they most likely had to advertise it that way to sell them legally, and I got caught in the middle of the prohibition against home-distilling.
It was my last little bit of funds, I was in an accident and had to be able to make a living, it was my last hope to be able to get my lavender harvested and turned into essential oils, because I wouldn't have fired myself if my back gave out, I had just came out of being homeless because I couldn't work the everyday after the accident and than I run into this crap, don't take me wrong it's a great still if you want to make whiskey, but I don't and I don't drink it either.
Anyways today I did more homework, and there is tons of new information out there now, which did me no good back than, yep, I trusted Brewhaus's word. and now I could make moonshine which I have no interest in and it is illegal, but still can't extract a decent lavender or rose oil, my main purpose for purchasing the "Essential Oil distiller for aromatherapy" yep, sorry about my attitude, but I'm spitting nails right now. And if I sell it, than the next person would get strewed, unless they want it for moonshine, but than it would be illegal for me to sell it for that reason. so now I just store it.

P.s. I put up a pic of it in my profile. Also here is the archived instructions that I did my homework on back in 2003, it came off of brewhaus site in 2003 http://web.archive.org/web/2003..._Series_Instructions.pdf



Okay jojo now I have a more complete understanding about your situation. Point taken accordingly.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:23:44 AM(UTC)
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How would you suspend a bag of herbs in the pot? and how big would this bag be? Why would some one get this great big huge ""essential oil distiller"" (not my words but Brewhaus's words) to only be able to steam distill a tiny bag of herbs?
You can't get into the distiller to place a false bottom in it, the hole is like 2.5 inches big, once something is hung inside the still above the water there wouldn't be enough water in the still to make a proper run. Brewhaus essential oil distiller for aromatherapy is NOT an essential Oil distiller! I fell for that bag of doodoo, now I'm stuck with a whiskey distiller that I can't use, a VERY VERY expensive bag of doodoo, don't be made a fool of like I was.


FWIW My original plans for EO was to use the boiler as a steam generator over propane. I would direct the steam into the bottom of a well insulated 55 gal. drum under a false bottom. Above that i could pack my herbs of choice. Seal the top lid and attach the column and condensor. Yes, short coulmn would be better or insulate the longer one."
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We have had numerous people use the old style kettle (which was the only style offered in 2003) in the traditional method of packing the material into the boiler, 2/3 filling with water, and using the pot distiller column. Results have been excellent.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:13:22 AM(UTC)
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FWIW My original plans for EO was to use the boiler as a steam generator over propane. I would direct the steam into the bottom of a well insulated 55 gal. drum under a false bottom. Above that i could pack my herbs of choice. Seal the top lid and attach the column and condensor. Yes, short coulmn would be better or insulate the longer one.


Insulating the column would be a good idea."
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#13 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:03:00 AM(UTC)
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"Wrapping them in cheese-cloth and inserting them in the column wouldn't work? I've never extracted oils, so forgive me if that was a dumb question.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:32:16 PM(UTC)
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Wrapping them in cheese-cloth and inserting them in the column wouldn't work? I've never extracted oils, so forgive me if that was a dumb question.
TS

no that is not a dumb question, and I considered that, you would have to get some kind of stainless steel screen or wool to prevent it from falling out, the copper wool would react with many of the herbs, it would be fine, if lets say you only had a few cups of herb to extract, but if that was the case than one would buy a small chemistry lab instead of this big distiller.

The one I have does extract oils but only at high heat (in order to get the steam up the column), the quality is not good, most are horrible, some like lavender changes into a completely different chemical.. linalyl acetate changes in to linalool and acetic acid, just as an example, and it stinks, forget about lemon balm and many of the more delicate mints. I've worked with plants, some that are used to stop malaria in africa, lymes in usa and canada, cancer etc Also my favorites like lavender and rose, I don't want the chemistry changing so much that it's not good enough for it's intended purpose, even if the purpose it make things smell good.

This still is the proper still for spirits and such as far as I can tell and by all the responses that everyone gives, mine has never leaked nor has it collapsed and most likely will last for generations, just needs to have some tweaking done to get it up to par in the essential oil department.

I hope I'll be eating a lot of crow soon, because Brewhaus has stepped up and offered to solve these problems, which will help me get back on the road I was on with my 500-800 lavender plants and med herbs, and better yet it will blow the top off of the oils that some of Brewhaus users have been distilling, whatever they come up with, should blast the door open for those of us that distill essential oils and med herbs on a medium scale, it could put our oils on the same level as the big boys I'll keep ya-all updated."
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#15 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:58:45 PM(UTC)
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no that is not a dumb question, and I considered that, you would have to get some kind of stainless steel screen or wool to prevent it from falling out, the copper wool would react with many of the herbs, it would be fine, if lets say you only had a few cups of herb to extract, but if that was the case than one would buy a small chemistry lab instead of this big distiller.

The one I have does extract oils but only at high heat (in order to get the steam up the column), the quality is not good, most are horrible, some like lavender changes into a completely different chemical.. linalyl acetate changes in to linalool and acetic acid, just as an example, and it stinks, forget about lemon balm and many of the more delicate mints. I've worked with plants, some that are used to stop malaria in africa, lymes in usa and canada, cancer etc Also my favorites like lavender and rose, I don't want the chemistry changing so much that it's not good enough for it's intended purpose, even if the purpose it make things smell good.

This still is the proper still for spirits and such as far as I can tell and by all the responses that everyone gives, mine has never leaked nor has it collapsed and most likely will last for generations, just needs to have some tweaking done to get it up to par in the essential oil department.

I hope I'll be eating a lot of crow soon, because Brewhaus has stepped up and offered to solve these problems, which will help me get back on the road I was on with my 500-800 lavender plants and med herbs, and better yet it will blow the top off of the oils that some of Brewhaus users have been distilling, whatever they come up with, should blast the door open for those of us that distill essential oils and med herbs on a medium scale, it could put our oils on the same level as the big boys I'll keep ya-all updated.



jojo I don't know much about essential oils but I do know that Rick
Brewhaus is a stand up guy and a man of his word. I have had several dealings with him and I was quite impressed with his integrity and poise. I'm sure that Rick will be able to come up with something to relieve your delima."
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#16 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:15:11 PM(UTC)
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jojo I don't know much about essential oils but I do know that Rick
Brewhaus is a stand up guy and a man of his word. I have had several dealings with him and I was quite impressed with his integrity and poise. I'm sure that Rick will be able to come up with something to relieve your delima.


I thank you for writing this, I'm starting to agree, and even though I came on to the forum like a bull in the china shop, they still allowed it to play out with many good suggestions, which helped calm the situation as well as Rick did call and assured me that all will be well, so I'm looking forward to seeing the results as well as I am looking forward for the company that will be able to offer others in my field the opportunities to distill a quality oil. At which point I will be humbled and eating crow, not to mention, share how to use their new gadgets with all of the plants I have to distill, and even willing to send samples, which at that point it would be an honor."
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I thank you for writing this, I'm starting to agree, and even though I came on to the forum like a bull in the china shop, they still allowed it to play out with many good suggestions, which helped calm the situation as well as Rick did call and assured me that all will be well, so I'm looking forward to seeing the results as well as I am looking forward for the company that will be able to offer others in my field the opportunities to distill a quality oil. At which point I will be humbled and eating crow, not to mention, share how to use their new gadgets with all of the plants I have to distill, and even willing to send samples, which at that point it would be an honor.


jojo you are welcome and what I said about Rick is the truth. I have had Brewhaus do some custom work on both my distiller columns. I offered to pay more than the actual cost plus shipping and this was his reply:

Hi Billy,

I like your offer, but I think that the real cost to you will be only around $20 (absolute maximum of $25, but I highly doubt shipping could hit $17), and I cannot in good conscience take an extra $20 for the job. I really do not mind having the welder run this on for you quickly, as it will really not take but a few minutes to do the job.

Regards,
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#18 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:52:09 PM(UTC)
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jojo you are welcome and what I said about Rick is the truth. I have had Brewhaus do some custom work on both my distiller columns. I offered to pay more than the actual cost plus shipping and this was his reply:

Hi Billy,

I like your offer, but I think that the real cost to you will be only around $20 (absolute maximum of $25, but I highly doubt shipping could hit $17), and I cannot in good conscience take an extra $20 for the job. I really do not mind having the welder run this on for you quickly, as it will really not take but a few minutes to do the job.

Regards,
Rick

Now that is what I call integrity.


I'm humbled,
I forgot that there are people like that in the world,
he did tell me that some are using the stills for oregano oil and mint and that they are happy with it, and that might be why it was advertised like that back then, but I'm telling you that if they are using the same complete kit that I have, than they are going to freak when they get the opportunity to still after the improvements, unless they are distilling a couple of cups of herbs in the column. I haven't tried that yet, my papers say it's suppose to have a stainless steal screen in the column, but mine doesn't. Bayou thanks again."
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I'm humbled,
I forgot that there are people like that in the world,
he did tell me that some are using the stills for oregano oil and mint and that they are happy with it, and that might be why it was advertised like that back then, but I'm telling you that if they are using the same complete kit that I have, than they are going to freak when they get the opportunity to still after the improvements, unless they are distilling a couple of cups of herbs in the column. I haven't tried that yet, my papers say it's suppose to have a stainless steal screen in the column, but mine doesn't. Bayou thanks again.


Hi jojo,

I gave up going after pure EO as i found that for real health tonic extracts, tinctures were better and easier and cheaper. I use my super high quality still to makd pure alchohol, ie ethanol, with no congeners. I make many tinctures with that, and they can last a hundred years without degrade if properly stored. I also make a lot of mascerations useing Bragg's raw vinegar and such, but then add some of my pure, homemade alchohol to protect and extend its shelf life many times over. Yo may want to reconsider your use of your distiller unit...Tinctures are very powerful and very important in health.

Just another and important optional use of your distiller. I make at least 10 gal a year for these uses. I store it all up for my family if needed. I grow most of the herbs.

Life expands, Enjoy

mtnwalker"
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Hi jojo,

I gave up going after pure EO as i found that for real health tonic extracts, tinctures were better and easier and cheaper. I use my super high quality still to makd pure alchohol, ie ethanol, with no congeners. I make many tinctures with that, and they can last a hundred years without degrade if properly stored. I also make a lot of mascerations useing Bragg's raw vinegar and such, but then add some of my pure, homemade alchohol to protect and extend its shelf life many times over. Yo may want to reconsider your use of your distiller unit...Tinctures are very powerful and very important in health.

Just another and important optional use of your distiller. I make at least 10 gal a year for these uses. I store it all up for my family if needed. I grow most of the herbs.

Life expands, Enjoy

mtnwalker


mtnwalker, you sound like my type of people you'd be surprised about the amount of people that don't know about the abundance of plants.

I do put up tinctures and grow or wildcraft the herbs, that is what I turned to when I couldn't use this still for lavender, the only thing is that I won't make the distillate because of the laws, not that most everyone has some lightening with in a block of their home in these parts, it doesn't bother me what others do if not abused than it's just plain sad. I imagine the still would be good for distilled water if ever needed because it doesn't need electricity.

I use 150 proof vodka or everclear than dilute the tinctures to what ever is called for, if I did make my own it would save some cash but I won't until the laws change, also put up veggies, pickles, kraut, cider, soap, laundry detergent etc.

Maybe because of my allergies, I take the created plants more seriously than the synthetics, I also have neighbors and friends that want help with their plants and want stills, but I can't recommend this one until the situation is solved."
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