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Offline scotty  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:23:53 AM(UTC)
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i just finally finished insulating my 7.5 gallon brewhouse boilerBigGrin. the stainless racking cane will be cut up to make 2 thermo wells that i want to weld into the cover. the reason for 2 is so i can have a probe at 2 diferent depths in the boiler

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i put 3 layers of insulation on the sides and one layer on the bottom.
Then i used that sticky aluminum tape to keep all the overlaps in place. I didn't just put short pieces. i ran them down the sides and half way across the bottom.

a few of the places where i put the tape do not stay fully adhered to the insulation-

if i apply mild heat with my heat gun will that help????

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what else would anyone recomend????BigGrin"
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:18:42 PM(UTC)
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Is that stuff fire proof?
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#3 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 2:06:49 AM(UTC)
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Nice looking job. I don't think the heat gun will be a problem, as long as you don't hold it in one place too long. I'd take a piece of scrap insulation & give the heat gun to see how long it lasts at various settings. Better that than hose your work right off the bat.
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#4 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 4:55:14 AM(UTC)
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"i guess a try wont hurt. i just want to seat the outer tape better????

quien sabe???"
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#5 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 10:08:06 AM(UTC)
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i guess a try wont hurt. i just want to seat the outer tape better????

quien sabe???


the heat gun didnt help one bit.

Now i'm wondering if there is something i could paint over the aluminum.

naturally if i just leave it alone it should be fine. It's just that insulating the other one worked out soo well.

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#6 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 12:13:15 PM(UTC)
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Add some more tape, it doesn't hurt the insulation co-efficient
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#7 Posted : Friday, November 26, 2010 7:24:31 PM(UTC)
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Add some more tape, it doesn't hurt the insulation co-efficient


Yes thats our next move. :)"
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#8 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 9:13:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: scotty Go to Quoted Post
the heat gun didnt help one bit.

Now i'm wondering if there is something i could paint over the aluminum.

naturally if i just leave it alone it should be fine. It's just that insulating the other one worked out soo well.

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Just wondering when you insulated your boiler did you put more than one layer of the reflextec on it? OOPS, I just went back and read where you put 3 layers on it. I finally did mine(cold weather) and one layer didn't help much.
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#9 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2012 11:28:50 AM(UTC)
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Won't the heat from your burner burn the insulation on the bottom? Reflectx is not fire proof.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:51:27 AM(UTC)
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Did not seem to hurt my Reflextic using the hotplate thus far. One run..lol. Its still holding good with duct tape. Glad I did not bother to buy the high dollar tape now. It was more expensive than the insulation. On BH Rick's advice I only insulated the bottom round part of the big milk bucket. Rick say there aint no need to cover it all and he specifically said do not insulate the column. Any of yall doing that best knock it off right now..lol.


Humm that's interesting. What was his explanation for not insulating the column? After much reading and hundreds of discussions on the subject the consensus is that insulating the column reduces heat loss and improved reflux by keeping the column temperature stable.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:29:33 AM(UTC)
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"we dont want reflux at the wall. i would also like a bit more scientific explanation--
We work hard to get the cooling at the top why any place else. and

Insulating the bottom would insulate the hotplate from the boiler. Sorry but that souns like a large mistake.:)


????Possibly keeping the copper mesh cooler would increase reflux before we condense at the top?????:)"
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#12 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:02:10 AM(UTC)
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"Ok on bottom insulation. BigGrin

Now who is rick????:)

(((((Moonshine still. com Perhaps your getting info in the wrong place.))))

Do a yahoo search for "" how important is column insulation in distilling?"" I believe un insulated colums will peromote chanelling. Lots of reading there."
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#13 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:16:21 AM(UTC)
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Ok on bottom insulation. BigGrin

Now who is rick????:)

(((((Moonshine still. com Perhaps your getting info in the wrong place.))))

Do a yahoo search for "" how important is column insulation in distilling?"" I believe un insulated colums will peromote chanelling. Lots of reading there.


Hes talkin about Rick Morris the owner of Brewhaus America"
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#14 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:22:26 AM(UTC)
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Hes talkin about Rick Morris the owner of Brewhaus America


Then BR, I find it odd that rick has not confronted us about tower insulation at least as far back as i can remember. Perhaps i missed something?????:)


I still believe that lack of insulation would promote chanelling along the wall and by pass lots of the packing:) Colder times of the year would cause the reaction to a greater degree.:)"
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#15 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:25:14 AM(UTC)
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Then BR, I find it odd that rick has not confronted us about tower insulation at least as far back as i can remember. Perhaps i missed something?????:)


I still believe that lack of insulation would promote chanelling along the wall and by pass lots of the packing:) Colder times of the year would cause the reaction to a greater degree.:)


Well Scotty remember, just cuz he owns a brewery supply company don't mean hes right. It could just be his opinion based on his own experience. I too am a advocate of isulating the column as well as the boiler."
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Offline scotty  
#16 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:32:36 AM(UTC)
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"And then moonshine still.com. Thats the guy who sells a slanted column and calls it a reflux still. Lots of bad info going around on that website.

He is not as bad as that DVD seller though.OhMyGod


OF COURSE THATS JUST MY IGNORANT OPINION.BigGrin"
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#17 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:04:53 AM(UTC)
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Providing your column is packed well you should not see any issue with channeling, as the packing will force the liquid to 'alter course'.

With respect to insulating the column, it is necessary in very cold or breezy areas. Otherwise, insulation can reduce the heat loss as the vapor rises, causing the forced reflux to work harder. In other words, it decreases efficiency. The heat loss as the vapor rises is so that separation occurs, pulling out higher boiling points naturally. The forced reflux is meant to be used as 'final refinement' of the vapor that makes it to the top of the column. :)
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