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Offline Bushpilot  
#1 Posted : Friday, December 31, 2010 6:25:45 AM(UTC)
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OK boys here gos, this morning my batch had stopped working and was at a o.998 so i stilled her up and started cooking. I put 10 gallons in and threw away the first 200 ml, the first gallon dang near blew my socks off and the last after that was as smooth as summers breeze. i have another 5gal im going to run now, is there any suggestion ? This is the first time by myself without help and the first for my home made reflex.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, January 02, 2011 2:19:54 AM(UTC)
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Keep the heads & tails & rerun them next time. Still some good liquor in there.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:09:34 AM(UTC)
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Ratflinger thanks for the repley, the old man i use to make shine with is gone and we really didnt get off into the mash and fermentation. I wasent in on his recipe or the finnal mix or blend of the finnal product but many years of hanging out at his still. The other day when on my own i got down to the last drippings and didnt really know when to stop. i would run my finger under and get a taste and it was real, real, smooth and light, is there a cut off or just wait till it stops dripping ? I dont concider my self a newbe except to this forum, but i have so much to learn from yall. I have seen talk about newbes and i wish i had been born with all the imfo but thats why im here and thanks so much for what yall can give me. Thanks BP.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, January 02, 2011 10:20:35 AM(UTC)
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BushPilot.......back in the day they would boil the shit out of the wash literily...everything that came out went into the drinkin pot and then they would run it again (maybe -maybe not) and do the same thing but would get less volumn. We know better today and use strick recipes and cooking habits -- like discarding fore shot and segragating heads and hearts and tails. I use about 15 pint jars when I run my still which i fill with 300mls each and line them up along my wall. Then cover them and in the morn give them a good sniff so I can pick out the heads -hearts and tails. Pour the hearts in one container ---- and the heads and tails in the same jug and set them aside for another day. ratflinger is right lots of stuff to recover but you'll do that at another time. When to stop collecting is up to you but most run down to about 30 or 40 proof.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 04, 2011 3:37:57 AM(UTC)
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"1. Heeler i grind all the feed for my chickens and last night i grownd up 40 lbs of crack corn that had alot of meal and flour in it, is this a good thing to have the meal and flour in for mash ?

2. I flew some hunters back in the hills from Rockspring, Texas a while back and the guy there was making whisky out of Horse and Mule feed. SONNY JIM !!!!!!!!! Have you ever, that is some stout stuff.

3. What type of still do you use and what do you like to make ?"
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:16:03 AM(UTC)
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"bushpilot...
I dont think the meal or flour is a bad thing in the mash, I dont think its necessary to make good mash. Be sure if and when you cook your mash for conversion (if you do that) you keep stirring it or it will burn. BUT you will need to make sure it settles out before adding to the boiler for stillin.

That horse feed whiskey is an easy way to get started in stillin. I have done several of these and in fact I dont do the fully cooked all grain mashes anymore. That feed mash is a no cook and its easy and pretty good taboot. There are several recipes floating around and they are easy and quick to compile.

My still is a beer keg with an internal element. There are some pics on this site."
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:38:08 AM(UTC)
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"One more thing on that feed mash.... most horse feeds have molasses in the feed and that is whats gonna add alot of the flavor to your distillate.
Just corn - no real flavor in the end. Conversion will be very little.
Feed - it has corn,oats,molasses and probably wheat bran too. And if you add some acid like lemon juice you can make a pretty good wash. N E way lots of folks on this site can give you no cook recipes and they are probably already in the recipe threads. Try them and see what yo think."
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:45:25 AM(UTC)
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OH by the Heeler, what do you like and make ?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:43:35 AM(UTC)
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"BP .. these days I'm mainly sticking to a wash they call Gerber. Which is really a sugar wash that uses Gerber baby food for the yeast nutrient. Its a nutrual wash that you can drink almost straight at 100 proof its so smooth. Very easy to find the ingredients and just as easy to make it work. I did'nt invent this recipe but for a easy wash you should givera try.
Gerber nutrual wash-----------
1 box of Gerber baby food (any of them work)
10 lbs of sugar
3 beanno tabs (dissolved )
a squirt of lemon juice or lime juice
1 tablespoon of distillers nutrients (or 2 crushed multi-vitamins)
1 tablespoon of epsom salt
2 envelopes of ec-1118 yeast
I bring to a boil - 2 gallons of water- add everything but the yeast and then turn your heat off. Add this boiling water to your fermenter that has your sugar in it (this will melt the sugar) stir well to melt and mix. Top off with cool water to fill your fermenter. Dont add your yeast until its cool -- might be in the morn if you dont have a wort cooler but thats ok. Be patient and WAIT till it cools, then add yeast and givera about 12 days to ferment and then 4 or 5 days to clear, rack to a still and cooker off."
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:53:41 AM(UTC)
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"The above recipe is for a 5 gallon wash. Sorry I cant scale it down but I'm sure somebody will be along that can. Any yeast will work, thats just what I've decided to use. Epsom salt is not a must have either but the other ingredients are. The Beanno and the lime juice have specific functions and should be used if you can.
Lately I have been making a recipe they call ApplePie. It uses this Gerber nutrual for the likker and it covers up the hooch so well you have to be carefull with this drink. That recipe can also be found around.
Oh and this Gerber recipe is also a no cook wash. ( boiling water is not really cooking anything) So try this one too."
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:05:44 AM(UTC)
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Heeler im going to the store right now, thanks, BP
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:11:42 AM(UTC)
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You got pard....let us know what you come up with. Lots of folks here have been at this for a while and like to help.
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#13 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 7:54:12 AM(UTC)
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Heeler i went to the store the last time we talked and got my Gerber ingrediance for your wash and got her going the same day. They had 8 or 16 once boxes of Gerber, i got the 16, was that OK ? What does the beano and the epson do ? She is bubbling and going good.
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#14 Posted : Friday, January 07, 2011 10:23:26 AM(UTC)
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"I use the 16oz with a 5 gallon wash. But its just food for the yeast. As for the Beanno its an enzyme that is needed for conversion. And the juice is another one. They are faux enzymes in a sense. (you can buy real ones but why)
As for the epsom salt I still cant remember the exact reason. I'm sure somebody else can answer that. I tried to find the answer but struck out. I have done it without the salt and it did work but again I try not to redesign the recipe, just go with it. Anyway leter go till she stops bubbleing and then givera a few days to settle, leave all that gook in the bottom and make good cuts when stillin and I think you like it."
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#15 Posted : Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31:31 AM(UTC)
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Heeler shes still bubbling but not near as much. The other day i was woundering why i wasent getting a reading on my hydrometer, daaaaaaa, i was using the beer, wine one. Cant find my other so i gotta find one somewhere. What part of the country you from ?
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#16 Posted : Monday, January 10, 2011 12:12:39 PM(UTC)
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"BP..well the hydrometer for your wash is a beer and wine hydrometer. The hydrometer for your distillate or likker is a proof meter and they are not interchangable. With your wash -- before you pitch yeast take a sample and take a reading ( thats a gravity reading) then after all the bubbleing has stopped take another sample and the difference can be used to determine the abv% of your wash and when its done fermenting. Now when you've distilled your wash use your proof meter to measure alcohol proof of your hooch.
Once shes done bubbleing givera few more days and make sure its good and settled - you know all that crap is settled on the bottom. When you add it to your boiler leave all the other stuff behind.
You can get a hydrometer off this site or ebay."
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#17 Posted : Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:44:53 AM(UTC)
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BP, wondering how your Gerber wash came out??? Since we last blogged I have found the reason for the Epsom salt addition.... it helps reduce the formation of fusal oils in your wash, and I think that will allow you to push further into the tails before getting to the nasties. That should mean more volumn in the end. I just ran mine off so when it airs a bit I'll check and see if I can tell the difference. I'm hoping for the best of course so we'll see what happens.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 3:19:02 PM(UTC)
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The above recipe is for a 5 gallon wash. Sorry I cant scale it down but I'm sure somebody will be along that can. Any yeast will work, thats just what I've decided to use. Epsom salt is not a must have either but the other ingredients are. The Beanno and the lime juice have specific functions and should be used if you can.
Lately I have been making a recipe they call ApplePie. It uses this Gerber nutrual for the likker and it covers up the hooch so well you have to be carefull with this drink. That recipe can also be found around.
Oh and this Gerber recipe is also a no cook wash. ( boiling water is not really cooking anything) So try this one too.


Hi you guys. I'm new here and am looking forward to learning more about this mutual enjoyment.:)

First, Heeler, I'm liking the sound of your Gerber recipe and will be trying it out soon. Would a guy be safe in multiplying the recipe for a bit more of a run or would there be an issue with that?

Also, I just wanted to testify to the Apple Pie. Some friends of mine have been making it for some years now, and I will say that you are soooo correct about that stuff. It's like drinking juice from moms apple pies. You'd never know it had a drop of likker in it. It got me good the first time, but I was a little smarter the next go-round. Yum!!"
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#19 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:04:13 AM(UTC)
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Hi you guys. I'm new here and am looking forward to learning more about this mutual enjoyment.:)

First, Heeler, I'm liking the sound of your Gerber recipe and will be trying it out soon. Would a guy be safe in multiplying the recipe for a bit more of a run or would there be an issue with that?

Also, I just wanted to testify to the Apple Pie. Some friends of mine have been making it for some years now, and I will say that you are soooo correct about that stuff. It's like drinking juice from moms apple pies. You'd never know it had a drop of likker in it. It got me good the first time, but I was a little smarter the next go-round. Yum!!

Let me say -- I did not invent this Gerber recipe, I just passed it on. But she is a good one that I use quite often latley.
Can it be scaled up or down.....I'm sure it can, I only make 5 gallon washes but if your going up or down it should'nt be that hard to figure out."
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#20 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:21:46 AM(UTC)
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I forgot that I ran my Gerber and it came out rather well........I got 2 qts of perfect hearts and then a little of the other that is ok but not as good. This is uncut but once its cut it should be 2.5 qts and I think it is really good. I will not be oaking this I'll be making that ApplePie recipe with it so no adding flavors just the pleasent aroma of neutral hooch. Hmmmmmmmmm
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