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Offline DetroitVelvetSmooth  
#1 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:32:13 AM(UTC)
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"Hello!

This is my first post, but I have been reading others for a little while and I can't help but wonder about one certain thing:

Why are you folks doing stripping runs for neutrals?

I have the Essential Extractor PSII Hi-Cap and run my sugar wash in reflux mode ONLY. I run sssslllloooowwww (usually takes me around 5 hrs) once I am up to temp and all. I get at least 93% after correcting for temp. Once watered to roughly 100 proof I filter once and do a final water down to 80 proof. The spirit I get is smooth like water and I have no other off flavors, so why run it twice?

Also, I throw about 4 oz out for the heads, then collect the rest as hearts and run until the temp rises.

Am I missing something or are my tastebuds just not that good?"
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#2 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 10:47:40 AM(UTC)
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Well we can save the heads & tails for a further run but any way you wish to do it is fine.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:51:01 AM(UTC)
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Ok, I am mainly wondering if I am missing something like purer spirits or extended carbon life if I double-run.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 12:12:00 PM(UTC)
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I am new too but I think I read somewhere that you want 50% for your carbon run as the nasties tend to bond to water and at higher alcohol levels the carbon cannot grab the nasties. Then your spirit run is much cleaner with less heads and very clean cuts.
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#5 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 12:28:28 PM(UTC)
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I don't really think anyone is carbon filtering their stripping run before they run it the second time. I generally cut to 45% and filter before I age it. Higher percentages won't filter right in the carbon. 50% is ok though for filtering.
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#6 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 1:52:36 PM(UTC)
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none I know of carbon filter there stripping runs prior to doing a spirit run. If you are reasonable with the ABV of your wash, patient with your ferment and tentative with your distiller on ur spirit run, and cut throat with your cuts, you wont really need to filter ur lickker with carbon. It will be sooth and clean straight out of the Parrot. Don't be GREEDY! Be PATIENT. it will pay off in the end guaranteedWink
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Offline Mongoose  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:36:58 AM(UTC)
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Thanks div4gold and Bayou-Ruler! I think I have it now you helped a bunch in where and how to use my new toy!
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:25:51 AM(UTC)
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Ok I am still confused by the answers here.

No one has really stated WHY they strip it first. The only reason I can com up with is if you started with very low alcohol wash and needed to bring the volume down for the reflux run.

Is there any reason other than that? I am diligent in keeping up on my reflux run, tending to it the entire time. I get very pure alcohol out of it, water down, then filter it. I get very, VERY clean spirit from this. So my question remains, why do people recommend stripping it first?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:27:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ratflinger Go to Quoted Post
Well we can save the heads & tails for a further run but any way you wish to do it is fine.


I meant foreshots, sorry. I throw the foreshots out and collect the rest."
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:42:12 PM(UTC)
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Hello!

This is my first post, but I have been reading others for a little while and I can't help but wonder about one certain thing:

Why are you folks doing stripping runs for neutrals?

I have the Essential Extractor PSII Hi-Cap and run my sugar wash in reflux mode ONLY. I run sssslllloooowwww (usually takes me around 5 hrs) once I am up to temp and all. I get at least 93% after correcting for temp. Once watered to roughly 100 proof I filter once and do a final water down to 80 proof. The spirit I get is smooth like water and I have no other off flavors, so why run it twice?

Also, I throw about 4 oz out for the heads, then collect the rest as hearts and run until the temp rises.

Am I missing something or are my tastebuds just not that good?


I don't see anything wrong with what you are doing especially if you are happy with the end product. I guess the question about stripping runs would basically let you concentrate several quicker batch's for the more time consuming reflux run. End product should be about the same."
Offline LWTCS  
#11 Posted : Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:20:54 PM(UTC)
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"Stripping first is a way to quickly shed bulk amounts of water..

Basically,,,liberate as much alcohol as possible from your wash by running hard and fast.. and redilute to 35-40% and do your spirit run for a more nuetral product.
This technique will reduce the total aggragate amount of time spent stilling. Long as ya got a handy stripper head that is.

The 35-40% charge will require less input as the abv will have lower aggragate boiling temps.

In a nut shell,,,,its all about stilling in such a way that you will not require spending extra dough on carbon and clearing agents and.............

Bayou has it dead on. Don't be greedy and you'll make better likker.

Get multiple fermenters cycling and clear your wash good.
Get some drankin stock built up so you fellers can slow down and not be seduced by the all mighty ABV wash content.

You'll make better likker and you'll save money better spent on ingredients."
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#12 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 6:47:05 AM(UTC)
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Couple of tricks we do making beer. Once fermentation is complete chill it to 30 degrees (or as cold as you can get it - called crashing), I ferment in old refrigerators or upright freezers) then the yeast falls to the bottom. Another one is to get some unflavored gelatin a teaspoon I think in a cup of water, pour it into your wort/wash shake well then leave overnight in the cold. The gelatin attaches to all the proteins and yeast then falls to the bottom. Siphon off and you are good to go.
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#13 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 7:28:06 AM(UTC)
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"THats right Mongoose. Get those suspended solids to drop and get a cleaner product.

Prollem is, the new guys don't have no likker built for drankin stock. Then want to push their washes too hard and rush to get it into the still. Then spend more cash rushing around to carbon filter nasty bog water to make it fit to drank with friends and family.

Get three or so fermenters going so that ya always got something working off,,,something clearing,,,and something ready to charge the still.....

Ain't that hard once you get yourself set up."
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#14 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 8:49:44 AM(UTC)
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I'm spoiled as I have 4 of the PET 6 gallon bottles and two 7.5 gal. stainless conical fermenters. But I am not stopping making good beer either. Oh yeah I just got a 15 gallon food grade tank (it has bungs like a 55 gallon) but getting the corn mash out after fermentation could be fun on that one. When I am ready for a good whiskey run I have 55 lbs. of flaked corn and 100 lbs of Canadian 2 row pale malt. I have some more reading before that one. I plan on making a 12-13 gallon mash, not sure if I will keep it going so I can develop a sour mash or not yet. I think I am equipped, once my delivery gets here today to do a single run pot still set up using my Sanke keg/pot. I am scratching more on the setup and technique and do not want to mess up a good mash. I might keep my heads from my neutral spirit runs to see if that will start my sour mash, I know it gets better with time. I have enough materials for two 12 gallon whiskey runs, but chicken little in my head keeps slowing me down.....RollEyes

Just had another thought, since I am using flaked corn I probably will not have to put that in the fermenter like cracked corn. I think if I run a full mash/sparge like making beer I will only get yeast and troub (proteins & other stuff that falls out) on the bottom of the fermenter. Hmm this is sounding pretty good. I will probably design that for 8.5% ABV for the whiskey yeast. Anyone done an all grain pale grain & flaked corn recipe they want to share????
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#15 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 11:58:04 AM(UTC)
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"Man Mongoose,,,,,Reading that made me thirsty.

I could be wrong,, but most of these fellers here concentrate on the reflux/nuetral side of thangs. And then fiddle with an essence or two after the fact.

One or two fellers have a real good knowledge base and the remaining group are quick studies.

But not too many potstillers as such.

Be nice to have a feller like you pop in every now and again to help thangs along"
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#16 Posted : Friday, February 18, 2011 8:34:59 PM(UTC)
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"Roger that.

So in a nutshell, I could do two 5 gal fermentations, strip them both to, for the sake of argument, 50%, then mix them and add the ""new"" 5 gallons (what used to be 10) into my boiler for the reflux run.

I get it. Thanks a ton."
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#17 Posted : Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:16:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DetroitVelvetSmooth Go to Quoted Post
Ok I am still confused by the answers here.

No one has really stated WHY they strip it first. The only reason I can com up with is if you started with very low alcohol wash and needed to bring the volume down for the reflux run.
Is there any reason other than that? I am diligent in keeping up on my reflux run, tending to it the entire time. I get very pure alcohol out of it, water down, then filter it. I get very, VERY clean spirit from this. So my question remains, why do people recommend stripping it first?


Sorry it has been a while since I was here. Stripping runs are strictly to reduce the amount of water in the batch/wash. It may be 8.5-18% go juice, depending on your yeast, the rest is water and some other minor items. When you strip you then have ~40% go juice for your final run so less to heat, purer, less likely to puke, etc."
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#18 Posted : Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:01:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mongoose Go to Quoted Post
Sorry it has been a while since I was here. Stripping runs are strictly to reduce the amount of water in the batch/wash. It may be 8.5-18% go juice, depending on your yeast, the rest is water and some other minor items. When you strip you then have ~40% go juice for your final run so less to heat, purer, less likely to puke, etc.


+1 good explanation."
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#19 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2011 4:35:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LWTCS Go to Quoted Post
THats right Mongoose. Get those suspended solids to drop and get a cleaner product.

Prollem is, the new guys don't have no likker built for drankin stock. Then want to push their washes too hard and rush to get it into the still. Then spend more cash rushing around to carbon filter nasty bog water to make it fit to drank with friends and family.

Get three or so fermenters going so that ya always got something working off,,,something clearing,,,and something ready to charge the still.....

Ain't that hard once you get yourself set up.


I can't wait for that. I need a drink NOW! Darn kit is still spewing CO2 like Rachel Maddow yapping with Chris Mathews."
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