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Offline j744  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:36:09 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks to Wade and Mtnwalker2 for talking like a beginner. It's really hard to understand some of the terminology. It really helps when you break it down.

I promise your time and efforts will not go to waste.

When you talk about 95% is that the amount of product, clarity, or alcohol, some say the have 110-180 proof is this the same?
When you take the foreshot, heads and tails off you can put them all together and distill another time how long will they keep before going bad and do you need to seal them in a container for the later date.

After you get done ""doing a batch"" with a reflux still do you need or can you run it again? if so does this improve your taste? clarity? and % of Alcohol

I have heard alot about the cooling aspect if you take the lines that are provide you with the stil and place them in a large cooler of water and ice will this be cool enough. I hear placing them in a radiator placing this in a cooler with ice or placing the lines in a small refrig. Cooling with fans. What is the proper temp needed to cool properly. I dont have a creek, I have tap water only,but this seem like a big topic on the web. I have watched a few video's and wonder what the real store is. I would like to make really clean alcohol free of impurities. (clear stuff) I would like to flavor it but still would like to stay clear, clear means less hang over if it was to get to a glass and someone was to drink it. Ha.. but this is for a later post."
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:26:25 PM(UTC)
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95% is 190 proof, the first stuff to come out of your still is the foreshots which if this is a stripping run you can save and put through a spirit run but I throw it out as its just 50-100ml and thats nothing at all. That stuff is poison. These distillates dont go bad and you should leave them uncovered for awhile to breathe out and then seal them for later whether its for drinking or later distillation. You can save all and redistill but you should dilue down ESPECIALLY if using flame heat so you dont create a bomb. I usually dilute down to 40%(80 proof) for distiiling stripped runs or just to re distill a crappy product that didnt come out to good which I have not had to do(Yet)! the best way to distill is to do a stripping run first which is to run your product through your still fast and with no water to your column. I take 3-6 gallon batches of wash and do these stripping runs which gives me just under 4 gallons of 120 proof and mix in 2 gallons of water and then do a spirit run with full reflux and water to the column. You will not make a better product any other way then this method. Cold tap water will be fine but you will have to keep it cold and thats where the ice comes in handy. i have to get a better system here as i have to swap out well water often when doing my runs as Im using a 8 gallon bucket, it lasts about 1.25 hours before it starts getting warm. When you buy this system it also comes with a faucet adapter so you can keep running cold water from your faucet through the still instead of using the pump supplied but will have to also have a way to get rid of all this water like a sink or just let it run out the door into the yard. I would say 55* water would be a good temp but it certainly works with warmer water as like I said mine gets to warm and still gets 95%.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:51:59 PM(UTC)
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40 gal plastic horse tank from Tractor Supply works well & water just starts getting warm at the end. I usually run about 30 gal of water & then add more at the end to cool it back off.
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#4 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2009 7:35:41 AM(UTC)
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"I recently purchased the PSII Essential Extractor. Got up to 90% purity distilling a sugar wash, but I'm striving for 94 - 95%. With that run, we went as slow as we could make the system go. I'm using a propane burner, and we aimed for about a drop a second or so.

From what I can gather, it looks like cooling capacity might be the the key to achieving that. I used the supplied circulating pump and many many bags of ice. Temp was around 60 degrees F. What would you recommend to get to the desired purity level? More ice (expensive)? A cooling system (also expensive, I'm guessing.) Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks."
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#5 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2009 8:01:02 AM(UTC)
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"Daddio,

Not bad for some of your first runs. Several things that might help if you haven't already done this, insulate your column from just below the cooling tubes to the bottom, Pack copper mesh snug and well around all the cooling tubes. Use plenty of boiling chips in the pot if useing external heat. Make temp. compensation for your alch-meter when testing the ABV.

Makeing a fast stripping run of your wash first, adding bakeing soda to that strip, then run your spirit run. In fact by doing this, you may find you can run the spirit run faster and easier while still getting better quality.

And be careful of tailes cut, as purity will go down fast.

HTH"
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#6 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2009 10:28:48 AM(UTC)
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Thank you for the speedy reply. We'd packed the copper mesh as you described, and calibrated the ABV hydrometer. But we'll absolutely insulate the column and use the boiling chips. Thanks for the info.
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#7 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2009 11:49:08 AM(UTC)
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Thank you for the speedy reply. We'd packed the copper mesh as you described, and calibrated the ABV hydrometer. But we'll absolutely insulate the column and use the boiling chips. Thanks for the info.


You are very welcome. Just returning some of the help I was given here when I first started out.

If you find you take to this hobby and get something that you really enjoy, I would suggest you have 3 fermenters for quick stripping runs, and a 6 or 6.5 gal. carbouy for storing the strippings, with or without soda, until the joint spirit run. If you decide to do flavored grain runs or brandies get another to age in. Unless you want to go first class and get an oak barrel for that. Properly done the glass does as good a job, quicker. But the ambiance of an oak keg. One of these days I will splurge for a 5 gal. one to sit near my wet bar. Won't use it for ageing, but will be great as a dispenser while ageing even more. I have some fantastic home sawn 2X6"" heart walnut to make a rack. Well, one of these winter days.

Cheers to all, and have a fantastic Christmas holiday, if I am allowed to still say that.

In the spirit of friendsip, hobby joy and shareing, and the pleasure of learning, I remain your servant.

John"
Offline just_me  
#8 Posted : Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:00:47 AM(UTC)
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hi daddio, i use frozen 2 liter coke bottles and a 30gallon trash can. i also use a different pump for each line.
i hope this helps.
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Offline joe_r  
#9 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:34:24 AM(UTC)
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Daddio I live South Florida where city water is expensive and in short supply. I us a 5 gallon styrofoam cooler with ice and a small pump. At about the 3 hour I mark dump 3 gallons and replace it with new tap water and continue with ice as needed. This way I can cool, save water and money. I've learned that the water doesn't have to be cold just cool. I have a lake behind my house and I'm going to try rigging something up after the holidays. I'll have to run about 30-40 feet of cooling lines both ways and get a stronger pump IF I go that route. I've got to try the frozen coke bottles!
Offline mtnwalker2  
#10 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:42:09 AM(UTC)
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"Joe,

With water in short supply I would consider getting a very large garbage can or such with a lid. It should last you the full run, or for sure with ice. You could then just continiously reuse the same water. Add something for mosquito control. Our grocery sells chunks of dry ice cheap here.

If you have a flower bed or garden that you have to irrigate occasionally, get a soaker hose or sprinkler and water it for your run time?

If you decide to use the lake, run 2 lines, but with a coil in the lake to cool your closed system. Once the lines are filled there would be no head pressure, and wouldn't take much of a pump at all, and you wouldn't have to worry about filtering.

Another potential is a swamp cooler."
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#11 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:38:10 AM(UTC)
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"First, thanks to all for your suggestions regarding cooling and water use.

Second, how many boiling chips should I use? Looks like i can use maybe marble/porclean or extra copper fittings. Will two or three 1/2 inch copper fittings do the trick?

Lastly, in terms of doing the stripping run, how does this differ from a regular run? I know I'm going for a run of about 40% ABV, so it doesn't look that hard, but do I just try to fine-tune it for speed? Any other details on how to proceed, such as when to stop the run? Do I still try to cool the condenser as much as possible? Etc.

Thanks again.

Daddio"
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#12 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:06:57 AM(UTC)
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"Daddio,

It is best if you have the bottom of the boiler completely covered to insure a simmer of small bubbles and not large ones. Copper fittings work, but are really too big. Pea gravel size is best. Rashig rings, broken unglazed pottery like flower pots, baseball bat to your car window- Anything like that.

With a 2"" column, your spirit run is going to take a good amount of time for really good results. Test every now and then to keep the quality and ABV up to snuff. Adjust reflux and speed as needed.

collection temp.? Hot alchohal dripping and splashing into a jar will evaporate a lot. Faster even than rubbing alchohal. Keep your output as cool as possible.

You don't want angels and buzzard falling out of the sky!"
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#13 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:30:09 PM(UTC)
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Joe,

With water in short supply I would consider getting a very large garbage can or such with a lid. It should last you the full run, or for sure with ice. You could then just continiously reuse the same water. Add something for mosquito control. mtn what would you use for skeeter control?"
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#14 Posted : Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:23:11 PM(UTC)
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"With water in short supply I would consider getting a very large garbage can or such with a lid. It should last you the full run, or for sure with ice. You could then just continiously reuse the same water. Add something for mosquito control. mtn what would you use for skeeter control?
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For some reason, your post didn't show up yet, so coopied it and pasted.

For mosquito control, you can use a touch of oils to make a tiny film on top of the water. Olive oil or such. Cuts off all O2 that they need. Else, a tiny bit of chlorox every week or so. Doesn't take much, or hard core a bit of sevin insecticide or other. It will not mix with your spirits, and it reall doesn't take much or any of them. If a big tank, get some cheap fish.

If I was you boys or gals, that were limited on water, i would make a small pond, lined with a water blanket as a liner, use it for my reflux and heat the wter for the fish. Eating fish. or some just to look at. Give you something to watch while the still is running on a deceent day.

Enjoy."
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#15 Posted : Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:17:16 AM(UTC)
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"Hello all, I think I have the perfect solution to your cooling problems, if I was smart enough to post pictures I would. But since I'm not here is a discription I hope you can understand.
You need a plastic container 8-10 gal
a heater core from a salvage yard
4"" appliance fan 120v
a roll of aluminum flashing 10"" wide
Take a piece of plywood and some plastic cable ties, attach the heater core to the plywood so it is standing on it's edge, then attach the fan about 8"" in front of the heater core, but make sure the fan will blow air away from the heater core. Now take the flashing and fashion an enclosed duct between the heater core and fan making sure to seal it as well as possible, duct tape works well here.
We cut a hole near the top of the container that is a tight fit for the water lines, one for the supply and another for the return. It can be ran with the lid in place and the tight fit of the lines will keep the misquitos and trash at bay.
The supply water goes thru the still and then the after cooler. I have made two runs with my HC on a 15 gal beer keg, with 12 gal mash and the water hasn't warmed any that I could tell.
I think it is important that the fan pulls air thru the heater core as this creates a low pressure situation that greatly aids with the cooling effect.
When the summer heat gets here it may not be enough, but for now it works great.
I paid $40 at the salvage yard and had the flashing left from a previous project the fan came from a flea market for $2"
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