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Offline steveb  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:17:04 AM(UTC)
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"Hello,

I want to make a bourbon. I don't have a charred barrel.

Do they make something else that would suffice?

I've seen toasted chips and strands, but nothing charred.

Thanks,

Steve"
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:24:56 AM(UTC)
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Char with a torch or on the grill.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:35:55 PM(UTC)
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Any tips on how to properly char it on a grill?

Thanks.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:04:15 AM(UTC)
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"Alligator Char.

So the surface of the stick looks like alligator skin or the like.

Pull the grate out of the way, hold stick with tongs directly on to the flame, char till you see a likeness of gator skin.

Quench with water."
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#5 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:13:18 AM(UTC)
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"I use the heavey toasted white oak chips from Brewhaus a few chips in the container let set, stur once a day untill it looks like you want it. Works well for me !
popapina"
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#6 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:19:24 AM(UTC)
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I've got the chips. How would I char the chips (assuming using a tong would not be practical)?
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:34:05 AM(UTC)
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"The chips in the bag are ready and cheep, but if you must, hold them to the fire ??? maybe with a tourch burner ???
popapina"
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:55:20 AM(UTC)
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"Doingchips is totally defferent from doing sticks. Propane and alligator char are great for sticks. For chips either wrap well with al. foil and bake for a period of time. Needs a few holes in the foil to allow vapor and gases to escape, but not allow O2 in to incinerate. Some use a metal sealed can with a hole in the lid. If makeing bourbon or millet, or some of the stronger brandies, the alligator charred sticks work great. If you want to maintain the taste of milder brandies, rums, scotch and Irish, then toasted oak is called for. Each gives very different flavors and sweetness.

I hav had a blast soaking charred chips with sherry wines. Let them marinate for a month or 3 then filter and let dry. Save the liquid. Use the chips with the scotch or other, and if not enough add a tiny bit of the liquid. Gives llife to a lot of brews. Sticks are great, but chips are much faster do to surface area."
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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:05:21 PM(UTC)
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"Dang, recon I have no idea what a chip is. And if it's store bought or more specifically,,,commercially prepared, I recon I never will.

Thanks for the info.

Might try taking some spent sticks and steeping in a heads-n-tails jug for a few months. Then install em into a fresh batch of the pride and joy.

Been getting more and more partial to white/silver.

I hear about aging white rum in spent barrels and it gets the wheels turning."
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#10 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:34:38 PM(UTC)
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Dang, recon I have no idea what a chip is. And if it's store bought or more specifically,,,commercially prepared, I recon I never will.

Thanks for the info.

Might try taking some spent sticks and steeping in a heads-n-tails jug for a few months. Then install em into a fresh batch of the pride and joy.

Been getting more and more partial to white/silver.

I hear about aging white rum in spent barrels and it gets the wheels turning.



Ageing is very relative to surface area per volume of whiskey. a keg is very small in relationship to toasted or charred sticks. And sticks are very small compared to chips.

I wouldn't use feints to marinate chips. Use some super Spanish sherry wine or other. Makes a splendid Schotch or rum. Marinate the chips or sticks with other herbs for what flavors you might wish.Annis would be a great one if you were going after that kind of flavor."
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29:35 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Mtnwalker2. I'll give that a try when I get to that stage.
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#12 Posted : Friday, May 07, 2010 2:03:42 PM(UTC)
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"Should have been more specific. I meant the proofy tails from a multi generation of rum. The part that tastes good .
But I do see your point.
Walked right by a nice bag of Annis today at the latin market while buying panela."
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:51:04 AM(UTC)
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"Howdy.
I snaged a bag of Jack Daniels chips at the hardware store. They are marketed for BBQ smoking. And yes, they smell like whiskey. Im going to try a pint or so. My plan is to hand pick chips that have as much charr as possible on them. Any one tried these?"
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:53:38 AM(UTC)
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"Howdy.
I snaged a bag of Jack Daniels Brand chips at the hardware store. They consist of chipped up used whiskey barrels They are marketed for BBQ smoking. And yes, they smell like whiskey. Im going to try a pint or so. My plan is to hand pick chips that have as much charr as possible on them. Any one tried these?"
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:16:35 AM(UTC)
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Uhhhhhhh. Sorry. Forgot to work the search fuction. I only used the word chips in my searches. Using "Jack Daniels" bingo!! Thanks guys.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:33:28 PM(UTC)
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289 Jack Danials barrel chunks. Take your propane torch and alligator char the other 5 sides as well. Speed and quality of ageing will increase by 5 fold.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:48:21 AM(UTC)
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"Done.
Selected the largest ones in the bag that had at least one side the was previously the inside. Propane chared the other sides.
Dropped in four half dollar sized chunks to about a pint and a half of 190+ proof.
The wood was giving off tiny bubbles so fast it almost looked as if they were boiling. After about twenty minutes they all sank to the bottom.
That was last night. This morning the spirit was already light amber in color.

My plan is to get the color a touch on the rich side. Add a touch glycerin and brown sugar and let er rest a bit.

As I said before, the rest (gallon) is for infusion experiments. We havin fun yet?"
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:24:01 PM(UTC)
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"130 to 140 is a better proof to oak.

Don't be suprised if you get a bitter mouth feel at your 190+ proof."
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 2:02:35 AM(UTC)
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"It certainly is going to town. Amber in color after 48 hours.
But I must say that, at least with respect to aroma, it has mellowed considerably!!
Before it had a hint to the nose that it was stark and raw. Like one might expect from four pass 190 proof. It is taking on a very pleasent tone.

The other gallon is smoothing out some what on it's own as well. Daily lifting of the lid and wafting in some fresh air.

As Ive said before, this batch was made to be extreme. Next runs I will be running some more ""behaved"" spirits.

I hope to handle a bit of the mouth feel with the touch of brown sugar and glycerin. But mean is mean. It certainly likes it's resting period. Better every day.

I' plan to stop at the brew store today. We shall see."
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:37:03 AM(UTC)
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"You will need this (your) evaluation to help you establish a benchmark reference point anyway. Just gonna give more information with which to further hone yor skill.

Good luck and cheers
Larry"
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