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Offline Tinman  
#1 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2012 2:27:48 AM(UTC)
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If I use 2 1/2 pounds of corn meal, for a 5gal. mash how much sugar should I add? I'm useing Brewhaus 48hr. tbo. yeast or should I use a differ. yeast?RollEyes
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#2 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2012 4:35:47 AM(UTC)
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The turbo yeasts sometimes give an off-taste to the resulting wash, or so I've heard. My only experience so far has been with EC-1118 and regular bread yeast. The EC-1118 was slow to ferment (5 weeks) and the bread yeast finished in 3 days. Not certain if I did something wrong on the EC-1118 or not Confused. I've heard that distiller's yeast is great, but you need to provide additional nutrients for them in the ferment.

With corn only, I would think 7 or 8 pounds of sugar would be plenty. Watch your starting specific gravity and don't let it go over 1.080.

Is anything else going in the fermenter besides the corn, sugar and yeast? Are you going to gelinatize (mash) the corn?
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#3 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2012 7:03:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Tinman Go to Quoted Post
If I use 2 1/2 pounds of corn meal, for a 5gal. mash how much sugar should I add?

Are you actually mashing? ... or just adding the corn meal as a flavoring adjunct? If the corn meal is for flavoring then it doesn't really enter in to the % abv equation (unless the meal itself has sugar in it). That is, you'd be making a sugar wash with some grain flavoring.

I usually use 10 lbs (~4.5 kg) of sugar in a simple 25L sugar wash ... which is basically the same as Bigwheel. This gets me to 10% give or take. My baker's yeast handles this without any fuss or bother.

--JB"
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#4 Posted : Friday, April 06, 2012 9:06:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bigwheel Go to Quoted Post
I would vote for 7 lbs sugar for them who are stuck with using bread yeast.

8 lbs in a 5 gal wash is around 10% - 11%. But personally, I wouldn't do that ... since I like using the whole 10 lb. bag :) That's why I just add a bit more volume. Keep in mind it's not the amount of sugar, it's the % abv that causes problems.

And BTW, the baker's yeast does just fine. I never considered myself as being ""stuck"" using it. Especially when it comes at less than $2.50 a pound.

--JB"
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#5 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:43:37 AM(UTC)
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I agree Bigwheel, just reading some old posts. You can have all those fancy instruments you want and they are helpful, but people forget the best tool they got and that is their taste and feel and your smell. Taste you mash and it will tell you how much sugar you got left. Feel it and it will tell you what temperature it is and smell it to see if it's sour.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:23:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bigwheel Go to Quoted Post
Still looking for an ideal proofing vessel.


I found a 2 gallon glass jar (cookie jar?) at Wally World for less than $10. Look in the kitchenware area. May not still be deep enough to float the checker gizmo, but it's a good start.

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#7 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:24:05 AM(UTC)
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"Bigwheel, I broke two of the measuring things and finall made one that I've been using a long time. Take a piece of 1"" copper about 1-ft long and solder a copper cap on one end. Put your checker thing in the pipe and measure the top to about 190 proof and cut the copper pipe at this point. This makes it easier to read. You can solder a 1/4"" overflow to the very top of the side of the pipe if you want to, that could be placed in a jar next to the copper pipe so you get a constant level and don't lose none. Fill till it overflows and that will always be the correct level. I drilled a 1-1/8' hole in a piece of 2' x 4"" to set the cap into to hold it steady. The biggest advantage is you only need 1/2 pint to measure.
The only time I have trouble is when I'm measuring 190 proof and above, the pipe is not long enough, but if you make it longer it's hard to read. You can make one of these for a couple bucks."
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#8 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:10:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bigwheel Go to Quoted Post
They prob got it for a nickle for a fifty bag at Sam's. Who knows?


$29.48 for a fifty lb bag on April 27th at Sam's.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:51:28 AM(UTC)
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Man, I check every store and every sale for sugar and it always seem to cost about .60 to .65 a lb. You might get one for .50 but usually you can only buy one. I never seen no good deal on buying in quantity. You know $10.00 in sugar, about $10.00 in propane, cheap yeast and maybe a little corn or fruit, it ain't real cheap, but it sure is good! I went to a couple of outside fruit/vegetable stands and wanted to buy some of their over ripe stuff and I can't find one that speaks english. Damn Cubans.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:28:45 PM(UTC)
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I buy bread yeast at the health food store by the pound. Dirt cheap, and you can buy as little or as much as you think you'll use over a given time. That way you don't have to worry about it going bad.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:12:30 PM(UTC)
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Still looking for an ideal proofing vessel. Filling up that little test tube is a pain. Notice it will measure ok with a 2 quart mason jar filled to the top..but that dont leave any room to add distilled water. What is a Mother to do?



Ummmm...two two quart mason jars?

Just buy one of those cheap clyinders for checking at your local brew store. They take about 6oz to fill. Mix booze with water in jar, pour into cylinder and test. Pour back into jar and repeat until desired proof. Easy peasy."
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:29:24 PM(UTC)
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I told bigwheel awhile back: 1" copper pipe with a cap on one end, set into a 2" x4" block of wood works great, cheap and does the jorb. Make the copper the length of the hydrometer so you can still see the liquid level. I usually put a 1/4" copper overflow about 1/4" from the top so you don't waste none and let it drip into a jar. Makes a good parrot also if you want to work with it. It will only take about 1/4 of a pint to get your measuremnt. Take the liquid temp into consideration for converting to a true proof. Usually the hydrometers are calibrated about 70 degrees. Any variance will alter the reading that you get.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:43:41 PM(UTC)
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I told bigwheel awhile back: 1"" copper pipe with a cap on one end, set into a 2"" x4"" block of wood works great, cheap and does the jorb. Make the copper the length of the hydrometer so you can still see the liquid level. I usually put a 1/4"" copper overflow about 1/4"" from the top so you don't waste none and let it drip into a jar. Makes a good parrot also if you want to work with it. It will only take about 1/4 of a pint to get your measuremnt. Take the liquid temp into consideration for converting to a true proof. Usually the hydrometers are calibrated about 70 degrees. Any variance will alter the reading that you get.


1"" copper pipe and cheap? If you happen to have some laying around. I would pay more for the copper cap then the ""test tube deal"".

How much likker are you guys proofing? I only proof it if im going to oak it. Otherwise why bother."
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:16:00 PM(UTC)
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Bourbon? Didnt realize you had retired the sweetfeed and started making corn likker...
I think you maybe a little loose with the term bourbon.

If you are using woodchips in glass you certainly are guilty of robbing the angels of the their share since that is loss from evaporation through the wood in the keg. I tried the jd chips, i didn't care for it. Much perfer charring my own oak staves. Never had enough to fill even a small barrel and it certainly doesn't stick around long enough to age a large quantity.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:55:19 AM(UTC)
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Hey I'm with you bigwheel. It's got to be fun and EASY. I don't understand why people go to so many extremes to experiment. Once you got the process down, have fun watching and drinking, not scewing it up. Everyone likes to alter the flavor a little bit, but not if it might change the basics. I do like to brag about a good run. Yesterday I got 3- good Qts. from a 6-gallon mash. 180, 160 and 120, in about six hours. I don;t think you can do much better than that on a regular basis. I have found that you just leave it alone, as much as you want to mess with it, leave it alone. You got the temp right, you got the water right, you got the drip right, just keep changing jugs and be happy. I might get into a little flavor after the fact. I dont believe in those essences but I sometimes will do the NATURAL oak or mint or cherry or key lime. I usually give this stuff away to the sissys that are always around. I stick to the white liqour.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:33:41 AM(UTC)
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That was a sugar wash. I can't do that with a grain. Maybe someday!
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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:29:58 AM(UTC)
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I've heard of good results with cornmeal, but never tried it. I ususlly use cracked corn. Let me know. Like "Bobby Dillon" says " You ain't got nothin if you ain't got nothin to lose"
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#18 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:02:27 AM(UTC)
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This is going to be interesting. I would bring a pot to boil, shut it off, add the meal and sugar, stir it and let it cool to about 165 and add the malt. But I never done it with meal.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:59:40 AM(UTC)
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Is that dry malt spray malt? If so think the brewmiester steered you wrong cause that stuff has next to no active enzymes in it. You will have to mix it with luke warm water before mixing it in or it will carmelize(hard chunks).
Cornmeal? Just picked up 50lb bag of corn for 12 bucks at the feed store.

They say pitch your malt at 150 cause it usually will bring the mash temp down to 140 were it needs to stay for 90 minutes approx. One way to do this is if your mash pot fits in the oven once you have it at 140 put in the oven at its lowest setting. Then every 15 minutes come back and stir it and shut the heat off. Then 15 minutes later come back and stir it and turn the heat on. Repeat until completed.

I actually agree badbill that once a system is ideal then its just repeat and rince. If you are happy doing sugar shine thats great. Some of us want something different and the search takes a little longer. The first all grain experiment was great tasting but beginner mistakes were made and production suffered, aka run too soon. Can't just go by taste like sugarshine as it is never sweet. A malt was experimented with next with tasters commenting it was similar to quality irish. I don't like quality irish so back to corn. This time 85% corn and 15% malted barley. I know this will make quality the question is quantity so if it isnt up to snuff maybe a corn mash with sugar added for improved abv.

Yet to make anything undrinkable so maybe thats why havent been discouraged from continuing to experiment.

As far as the still its like any other hobby. Start out low end to see if it takes. You don't need a Les Paul to learn to play guitar. But once you are hooked in you are going to want to upgrade from the beginner crap.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:44:09 PM(UTC)
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Next time i suggest you try "pre-mashing". Say you are using 85% corn to 15%malt ratio add a third of your malt at the start. This will keep the mash nice and loose. I heat in an oven at 400 and don't have any problems with sticking or burning (7.5 gallon pot just barely fits). Just check it every 20-30 minutes, stir, temp check and add water as needed. Seems to take forever to go from 160 to 190 though. Not sure why that is.
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