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Offline soil tester  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12:01 AM(UTC)
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"First time trying this after making wine for many years. Using sugar, water, turbo yeast and some nutrients, I would like to know what SG I should shoot for. Will have to provide any carbon filtering, since the wine I distilled dribbled out crystal clear and tasted like rough brandy. Help the beginner.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:15:59 AM(UTC)
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"I would use a better yeast for starters. I don't worriy about the specific gravity unless it's wine. I would like to see what the others say here. I'm new to the forum, what I have noticed is they are key on detail and other not so much, I get criticize either way. I would not use stone carbon if you want flavor in the end but rather charcoal, coconut carbon or peat carbon.

If you product is crystal clear and tasted like rough brandy it's your call on filtering, but making a natural, I would filter.


I do not take credit for this recipe. By Bayou-ruler

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This recipe is for a 6.5 gallon wash (25 Liters) & Will yield 10% ABV wash 2.5 Liters (2 quarts & 1.28 pints) of ethanol.

Ingredients:
10 lbs Sugar (dissolved in hot water)
6oz tomato paste (Yeast Nutrient)
1 Tbsp DAP (Optional but Recommended)
1/3 cup bakers yeast (2 2/3 ounces)

Instructions:
(1)Dissolve 6 ounces of tomato paste in 5 liters of hot water.

(2)Dissolve 10 pounds of sugar in 10 liters of hot water stiring until all of the sugar is dissolved and not gritty.

(3)Pour the dissolved sugar into the fermenter with the tomato paste.

(4)Top off the fermenter to 25 liters with cold water and stir well.

(5)Once the wash has cooled to 80 degrees Fahrenheit or less add 1/3 cup of bakers yeast and stir well.

(6)Place lid on fermenter add airlock and allow to ferment for 7 days or so.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:56:51 PM(UTC)
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"Thank you both for the info. Coming from long wine masking, I guess knowing the SG tells me what the potential alcohol of the sugar water should be. This then tells me the amount of distilled spirit I could expect. Or am I just blowing bubbles? In any case, I gunna try.

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Michael in Oregon

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#4 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:06:06 AM(UTC)
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I would use a better yeast for starters.

I do not take credit for this recipe. By Bayou-ruler



saccharomyces cerevisiae (Bakers Yeast) is the most commonly used yeast in distilling.

What "better yeast" would you suggest and why? please elaborate, I'm quite curious.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:20:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: soil tester Go to Quoted Post
Thank you both for the info. Coming from long wine masking, I guess knowing the SG tells me what the potential alcohol of the sugar water should be. This then tells me the amount of distilled spirit I could expect. Or am I just blowing bubbles? In any case, I gunna try.

Thank you
Michael in Oregon

I'll post my experiences


You are correct about the specific gravity soil tester. I suggest that you start with a SG of 1.080 which 10% ABV. The ending SG should be around 0.990

The biggest mistake most make when starting out making alcohol is greed. Maintain patience and don't be greedy when making your wash. If your wash is too rich in sugar it will stress the yeast and produce more off taste.

Excessive nutrients can also cause off taste in the distillate. This is the Problem with Turbo Yeast. They are great for making ethanol fuel, but not for ethanol you plan to consume. The high sugar content washes and large amounts of nutrients and the high temperatures that they ferment at all cause off taste.

I suggest that if you go over to The Home Distillers Forum and do some research, there is a ton of information over there concerning all aspects of ethanol distillation:

http://homedistiller.org/forum/


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#6 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:19:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by more than I can drink
I would use a better yeast for starters.

I do not take credit for this recipe. By Bayou-ruler


saccharomyces cerevisiae (Bakers Yeast) is the most commonly used yeast in distilling.

What ""better yeast"" would you suggest and why? please elaborate, I'm quite curious.


Bayou-ruler
Once again I have been misunderstood. I was putting down the use of the turbo yeast.

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Ingredients:
10 lbs Sugar (dissolved in hot water)
6oz tomato paste (Yeast Nutrient)
1 Tbsp DAP (Optional but Recommended)
1/3 cup bakers yeast (2 2/3 ounces)


clarification please on the tomato paste.
Is there anythink that I should watch out for. Are some brands better than others. What is your favorite brand?"
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:23:49 AM(UTC)
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Bayou-ruler
Once again I have been misunderstood. I was putting down the use of the turbo yeast.


Thank you for the clarification. effective communication is very important."
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33:06 PM(UTC)
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I like Hunts Tomato paste. Or Del Monte. Anything but Heinz because they are kin to John Kerry. Do not want to support that gigolo. PS..Do not get cute and try to use tomato sauce. It no worky too good.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:01:21 PM(UTC)
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clarification please on the tomato paste.
Is there anythink that I should watch out for. Are some brands better than others. What is your favorite brand?


No sir as long as its tomato pulp and nothing else it will work fine. I use the Great Value Brand from Wal-Mart"
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#10 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:24:23 PM(UTC)
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Ingredients:
10 lbs Sugar (dissolved in hot water)
6oz tomato paste (Yeast Nutrient)
1 Tbsp DAP (Optional but Recommended)
1/3 cup bakers yeast (2 2/3 ounces)


can I use EC-1118 instead. if not is there a sugar wash for this yeast."
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:36:58 PM(UTC)
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can I use EC-1118 instead. if not is there a sugar wash for this yeast.


Yes you can use Lalvin EC-1118 (Saccharomyces cerevisiae bayanus) it is a Champagne yeast and will work just fine, just about any yeast will work. Bakers yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) gives the most bang for the buck,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, its cheap and effective

when i used EC-1118 I pitched 60 grams (12) packs
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#12 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:58:51 PM(UTC)
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great thanks BR. 12 packs should get her to go in a hurry.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:00:04 PM(UTC)
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One packet per 5 gallons works just fine.
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#14 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 1:15:55 AM(UTC)
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ohyeahyeah One packet per 5 gallons works just fine.


one pack in my 5gal wine does just fine. 12 packs is alittle over kill. they don't waste time around here"
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#15 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 2:42:34 AM(UTC)
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one pack in my 5gal wine does just fine. 12 packs is alittle over kill. they don't waste time around here


I use 1118 for many things. When i do a sugar wash at 14% potential, i do a starter bottle with 2 pks I probabley could use one ; but i read about a starter bottle on some site with 2 pks and it always ferments dry. Naturally the needed ingredients and oxygenation too."
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#16 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 10:41:12 AM(UTC)
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Get some Cosby&Bakers Distillers Yeast. You will not be sorry. Bread yeast is for making bread. I have heard a few folks bad mouthing the EC 1118 stuff...never heard a bad word uttered on the other. Maybe they will let you trade it in for some good stuff. Tell em its been in the ice box all this time. That should work. Kindly keeps us posted. Thanks.
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#17 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 11:31:21 AM(UTC)
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Get some Cosby&Bakers Distillers Yeast. You will not be sorry. Bread yeast is for making bread. I have heard a few folks bad mouthing the EC 1118 stuff...never heard a bad word uttered on the other. Maybe they will let you trade it in for some good stuff. Tell em its been in the ice box all this time. That should work. Kindly keeps us posted. Thanks.


Bakers yeast is the preferred yeast of those who make rum"
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#18 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2012 12:46:27 PM(UTC)
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Well guess thats why I aint been enthused about bread yeast. I only drink Rum when its free or discounted big time. It makes me sleepy even when mixed with Coca Cola...which if I mix the same coke with ninty proof sour mash it makes me want to go to Dallas and write hot checks in the wee hours of the morn. Seems to make a person handsome...tough and smart whilst limping back to civilization after the Sun is well up. I am highly anti soda pop since it made my feets swell up one time. Contrary to popular belief it aint the sugar its the salt which makes Cokes dangerous. Now this come from the MD so it bound to be right. High Fructose corn syrup is deadly. Read all the labels on what you are consuming. If it has that stuff do not buy it. A word to the wise should be sufficient...as the third grade teacher was fond of saying.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:15:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bayou-Ruler Go to Quoted Post
Thank you for the clarification. effective communication is very important.


I'd like to jump in as a newbe to the art of making home spirits. The past couple of entries are referring to tomato sauce??? I'm not sure how to address this. What is the ingredients in tomato sauce that would have to do with assisting the fermentation of a sugar/wash and yeast. Is there something in tomato sauce, as I have been using as yeast nutrient in wine making? Or are you guys just having fun with me. Please explain."
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Well as far as I can tell I am the only one dumb enough to try using Tomato Sauce. We is expectantly leaning towards TOMATO PASTE. Do not buy John Kerrys brand which is Heinze. Otherwise it seems to be the prevalent theory that any will work ok. Caution..do not use tomato sauce. Them two aint interchangeable. No joke..makes a great neutral. Old Bad Bill who has apparently been kidnapped by gypsies or ate up alive by Crockodiles down in the Swamps of Florididdy say he uses it on grain washes too. Sounds a little kinky on that deal.
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