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Offline Fusefinder  
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:11:30 AM(UTC)
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"I just received my 8 gallon Kettle from BH. BTW hats off to BH, welding on the 1"" coupler looks great and shipped earlier than expected AWESOME!!

I'm wiring up my internal electric element and feed for it today. I plan on running it this weekend and have a few questions;


1) Instructions say to do a leak check...but not much after that. I plan on washing and leak check then a few trial runs with water to get a feel for the new heater and controller setup...I've seen a few recommends about a vinegar run any comments?

2) What needs to be done to the copper mesh prior to the sacrificial run, again I've seen post about vinegar rinse or boiling it?

3) Somewhere I remember reading about replacing the rubber bung that the thermometer goes into....cant remember what followed or where I saw it...need to start bookmarking more!

4) Again somewhere but can't remember where I saw (pics) someone replaced the chemical tolerant line with copper tubing (bendable?) any thoughts or ideas on that one?

5) More to come but getting sleepy and can't spell anymore... 3rd shift life...or lack there of!"
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#2 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:47:43 AM(UTC)
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Leak check is good..its also good to do a leak check once all the hoses are connected and the water is running to it. That step aint in the rule book I dont think. Vinegar run is a real good plan. Seems like I just stuff the copper in there and let the vinegar and sacrificial runs clean it up. I aint never used the hose in question. Looks sorta sticky and cheesy. I have about a waist high round ice chest gizmo that just scoots up under the spout where the good stuff comes out. Prob could use a step ladder or anything which could bridge the gap to where you can put a jar under the spout. Not sure why anybody would want to replace the bung. Seems to work just fine. Remove it prior to cool down or they claim it can form a seal and wrinkle your bucket inward. Happy hooching Senor.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:47:14 PM(UTC)
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"Ditto on the chemical hose.

I do precisely as Bigwheel suggests: I use a step ladder when pot stilling ... and put a small piece of plywood on a stand that used to have an electronic keyboard on it (it adjusts very easily). I threw the hose in a parts bucket and have never used it.

I thought the bung had a funky smell the first several runs ... but it eventually goes away. Just don't do what I did the first time by shoving the bung in too tight. It seemed to fit so damned well, so I shoved it in there nice and tight ... until I had to remove it ... while the rig was still hot ... that was my idiot ""ah ha"" moment. There's really no pressure beneath it ... so it just needs to be snug enough to get a seal.

Good luck, have fun!
--JB"
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#4 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 5:14:16 AM(UTC)
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"__Hi Fusefinder, first thing I did was wash it out hot water then I made a water run to check everthing out. Same goes for the copper mesh, just a hot water wash then roll up and into the tower for the first water run, be sure not to roll the mesh to tight. I fold mine in half then start my fist roll over with a pencil sized hole in the middle. Then progressivly roll tighter.
The rubber bung works just fine. As said above don't shove it in any more than snug, you need opull it out as soon as you shut down to avoid imploding your system.
I replaced my chemical hose with a length of 3/8"" soft copper tubing,(think refridgerator water line), coupled to the condenser with a 1/2"" X 3/8"" brass compression fitting wich you need to pickle. Pickleing brass is done by boiling it in a 50/50 vinigar/water solution for a minute or so. You'll see the color of the brass change to a brighter yellow color. This needs to be done to avoid any possibility of lead being leached into your product.
Have fun!"
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#5 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 7:44:31 AM(UTC)
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I got a pic which yall need to see. An old pal from Whiskeyta Falls and some of his pals decided to build one of the valved refluxers which got the plans on the internet. Anyway the condenser is at the top and from the pics once you set that on a big beer keg looks to place the output dribbler about six feet off the ground. They start out with a step ladder..then an ice chest..then an assortment of other nonsensical stuff trying to reach the top. Clear cut case of a Rube Goldberg operation..or maybe some redneck inuneering. I aint smart enough to post it but if somebody got an email I know how to email it.
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#6 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 8:24:59 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks for the info! I'm just about ready to fire things up.
I made up a heavy duty extension cable (40') from my weld plug, with a 120v tap coming off to run the router speed controller once the kettle is up to temp. The heavy cable should handle the 5500 watt heating element without any trouble!
If everything works out as planned I can use the extension cable to feed the kettle, extend a welder, or back feed a generator just switching a few pigtails around, something I've been wanting to do for a while anyways."
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#7 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 8:42:13 AM(UTC)
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Sounds like you are Ready to Rumble..lol. I bragged on my fancy router controller too quick. It just zonked itself on run before last. I knew it was not supposed to get as hot as it was feeling to the touch..finally set it up on firebrick just to be on the safe side. If you have similar misfortunes the good news is once you switch over to 120 doubt there be much need to turn it down any. Should be real controllable with the water at that point. Or works like that on mine. Now would not do for pot stilling but aint a problem in the reflux mode. Best of fortunes..kindly keeps us posted.

PS Edit: I just had a bit of an epiphany here. Now do you plan to run the big boy element till you cant keep it cooled down enough with the water and have to switch to the 110? Or do you pick some arbitrary temp to switch em? Just trying to think of all the angles on this deal. Thanks.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:52:46 AM(UTC)
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"I haven't figured that one out yet... my learning curve is about to do a start over. The last setup I had was more or less all pot mode without the copper mesh scrubber, though it had a thumper to clean up a bit. It was someplace to start, to figure out if I would hold interest in the hobby, (one of those low end setups they don't like to talk about on these forums) but was time to move on, and move up
I feel like I went from a '73 Ford Pinto to an new Acura NSX, I'm gonna have so many new questions, but some I just have to play with it and see how everything works now!
I'll post alot more I imagine as time goes on...and thanks for all the help and past experience help"
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#9 Posted : Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:53:29 AM(UTC)
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Now seems like the smart fellers recommend leaving some of the copper packing in there even during the pot still run. Have got advice on one or two rolls. I used one and a half. Theory being the vapor needs to contact some copper somewhere along the path to take out the sulfides. Did not taste like battery acid so it musta worked. Now if you already knew that kindly excuse my redundancy all over again yet one more time.
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#10 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 2:16:03 AM(UTC)
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One or two rolls seems like a good plan for the Pot mode...how many for the Reflux mode...fill it up?
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#11 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 9:56:49 AM(UTC)
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I've read on here that some people use ceramic rings in the bottom and fill the top with copper. Then again some people use 3 or 4 rolls of copper only. Others use a few rolls,(2 or 3 ), of copper in the top and then use stainless steel scrubbers for the rest of the tower. Myself I fill in the whole tower with copper for reflux. My purity runs between 90 and 95%.
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#12 Posted : Friday, June 22, 2012 1:41:03 PM(UTC)
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At one time I was somewhat convinced that SS scubbers in a copper column was a good plan..but then I started reading about the dissimilar metal short circuit battery deal Think I would be tempted to use copper on copper lessen a person has a SS column..then it also needs copper seems like. All this marlarky is real confusing. Would not that also make a battery? The only way I would take Rachling rings is if somebody sent them free. I dont like the sound of it. Funny speeling etc.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:41:29 PM(UTC)
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Seeing as how it's not a water heater and you don't have a continous flow of water through your tower, I don't think electrolysis is a real hazard when useing copper and stainless steel together. The raschig rings have there place in distilling just for my use, copper is best. I'm sure there are a few people in here that use copper and stainless both in there tower, maybe they will chime in and tell us how well that works for them.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:11:06 AM(UTC)
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Apparently you was the only one smart enough to think that one up. Congrats. If the goofy plumber ever comes up with my two inch copper gizmo I will alternate scrubbers and repoat back how it came out.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:03:27 PM(UTC)
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At one time I was somewhat convinced that SS scubbers in a copper column was a good plan..but then I started reading about the dissimilar metal short circuit battery deal Think I would be tempted to use copper on copper lessen a person has a SS column..then it also needs copper seems like. All this marlarky is real confusing. Would not that also make a battery? The only way I would take Rachling rings is if somebody sent them free. I dont like the sound of it. Funny speeling etc.


What you are talking about is called a galvanic cell. It won't really have any effect on a still. Copper and steel aren't bad. Its aluminum and steel that are the worst. And really it only causes corrosion it doesn't create a battery."
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#16 Posted : Monday, June 25, 2012 1:44:06 AM(UTC)
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"bushy, you really do need some copper mesh in your tower because the hooch needs some copper in the path of the vapor. The mesh helps remove the sulphides from your likker and once you use the mesh and take it out to clean it you will see what I'm saying.
The SS -- copper thing does not apply with mesh in your tower. The mesh really is needed. IMHO...for what its worth.
I would not use stainless scrubbers but if in your mind they are there for maybe the plate effect in the tower well that might not be a bad thing but copper is there for something alltogether different. I would think if the copper mesh in a ss tower were a bad thing Brewhaus would come up with something else soas not to kill us all. They want repeat customers.BigGrin"
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#17 Posted : Monday, June 25, 2012 5:58:28 AM(UTC)
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Hi Heeler, Thanks for your concern but as I said above I use ONLY copper in my tower. I don't see any reason to use stainless scrubbers. I bought a 100 foot roll of copper mesh for a critter problem and have quite a bit left. So I think I'm set for copper mesh for a long time since it does'nt seem to wear out very quickly.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:46:32 AM(UTC)
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"After a bit of thinking, and a lot of drinking I came up with a replacement for the chemical tolerant discharge hose.

I bought a Copper 3/8""-1/2"" solder type reducer, not compression or push on. I had some 1/2"" copper left over from the home made pots. Soldered the reducer on the pipe, took a pipe bender and put just a little bend in it so it is parallel to the column, though you really wouldn't need to. Cut it to length of a pint size mason jar, 32"" for me. Slipped it over the condenser discharge spout. It was snug already but I used a stainless steel hose clamp, tightened up and its nice and solid.

I Polished the copper up with 800 grit wet/dry sand paper just to give it a good shine.
Seemed like a good way to go no brass, no step ladder to knock the jar off of, and it looks neat as well."
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#19 Posted : Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:48:25 AM(UTC)
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Well glad you worked out a suitable device for the project. Necessity is the Mother of invention seems like some smart person say one time.
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