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#1 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:42:35 AM(UTC)
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can i hear some thoughts from you master distillers on using a white food grade plug at the top of my column to hold my thermometer...is that a bad ideal...could a rubber plug be causing the problems that i am incuring as regards to bad taste and smell
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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:31:33 AM(UTC)
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At the top of my column I have a black rubber o-ring that holds my thermometer and I have had no bad aromas or taste. I am not sure of the problems you are having with smell and taste. If the rubber is food grade than you should not be getting anything from the rubber. Let me hear more about your problems and maybe the group can help with the problems you are having.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:33:54 AM(UTC)
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am using a reflux still, and i have made probably 20 or so batches now...they all seem to have a funny odor and taste....and when you pour it over ice you can see a film or oily substance...i have ask about this a 100 times and have tried everyone suggestions i.e. mash recipe, fermentation period,letting the mash clear, temps when distilling, making several cuts in small mason jars ,the first cut is no different in smell or taste then the middle cuts or the very last cut....it all comes out the same....im getting a very clear spirit at about 93%abv b4 dilluting but i can not get rid of the funny taste....i filter thru a column filled with carbon at a very slow drip....i believe the longer it stays in contact with the carbon the better....but when it drips into my collector, i virtually have the same product as i put in the filter...i am lost as what to do....my thought now is, could i send a sample to one of you pros out there and maybe by tasting my product someone can tell me what i am doing wrong
,is it safe to send a spirit...legally i mean...i dont want my ass to end up in jail , please help...i love this hobby and spend a ton of time with it, but what good is it if you cant enjoy a nice neutral spirit on ice ???
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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:27:52 AM(UTC)
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Damnit, I wrote a nice explaination to your problem, or situation as it may be and damn it I erased it!!! Have another shot!! Anyway, here is my thoughts and proceedures that I have found that works for me, take it for what its worth.
1. Doing a sugar wash, make sure to let the brew completely ferment. Once you think its done, wait another couple days. Then when you get ready to pour it into the pot, take a syphon hose and carefull put it in the wash above the yeast at the bottom. Blow, or bbetter yet hook it up to an airsupply, and degas the wash thoroughly, say five minutes, or three beers which ever comes first.
2. CLEAN, CLEAN CLEAN your still!!! Are you using coppen scrubbers in the column? If so, do they coime out black and smelly at the end of the batch? I used them and then got some good grade of copper mesh and it still came out foul. Sooooooooo, I went to the cermic rings and use only a small pad of good copper on the bottom of the column to hold the rings in place. Made all the difference in the world in my batches. Putting excessive rings in the bottom of the pot helps hold the temp even also. My pot is ss beer keg and the column is all copper, soooooo I really don't need the copper mesh inside it for taste flavor etc.
3.Filtering, Stone carbon, boil it first when you get it to get the chemicals from manifacture out and then I run about five gallons of boining water thru it before using, when that all runs out and nothing is dripping on the bottom of it, I run the product. Takes about two hours for a gallon of product. DO NOT CUT THE PRODUCT BEFORE FILTERING!!!!! You willhave to boil the carbon every third time or so to remove the fusal oils from it. Remember the carbon has microscopic cell which trap and hold the fusal oils in it. Good way to tell if its working is to smell the boiling pot when you are washing the carbon, will stink to high heaven. oils lkeaving!!!
4. I put oak chips in my jar of finished, filtered product before cutting and leave them in there, On white liquors, I don't use the oak, because it will color it brown, don't bother me but gin is not supposed to be brown!!!

Thats about it, thats what I have learned to do and it works for me. Oh, is your still ss or copper? The one area that I did not cover is the welds on ss. They need to be acidized to remove all the welding flux on them or you will get a very,very bad taste. If you bought the still, that should have been done but look it over to make sure. Steam will not get it all out. Use nitric acid on the welds and then soda and lots of water and wire brush, perferable a motorized one that will polish the weld.... hope this helps a little, we all need to share our experiences with others in order to advance our own knowledge...good hootch is hard to come by.....Jimbull
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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:09:00 PM(UTC)
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While I cannot speak for all brands, we did have the manufacturer of our bungs confirm the chemical tolerance of their pure tan gum rubber. It has a rating of 'Excellent', and should not cause you any problems.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:59:00 PM(UTC)
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[Don't see a problem with that. My thermometer is held in place by a rubber grommet.]
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#7 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2006 8:01:00 AM(UTC)
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Interestingly,I just read this morning of someone haveing exact similur problem over many runs, on the distillers.org site. He finally traced it down to the plastic collection tube from his condensor that was minutely dissoving with the alchohal. Changed that and all was well.
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